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Like every other, regular day, Eryn went through her morning ritual of slapping my face, poking my nose ring, and pulling down my shirt to stealth nurse her stuffed animals. I saw her shining inquisitive face through half slits, and she laughed delightedly at my groggy voice telling her that mama would start breakfast after I had gone pee-pee.
Falling out of bed to more delighted laughter, I stumbled my way to the bathroom. When I pulled down my pants I could barely believe what was rudely greeting me so early in the morning and I shouted in surprise. Calling from his refuge under the pillow, the Hubby asked if everything was okay. I poked my head out from the bathroom and said, “I got my period.”
For many, this is no big deal — but for me, it was the first time in two years, and a very unexpected surprise. I’ve been amenorrhoeic due to lactation, and not counting post-partum, this was my first official period post pregnancy. Now I understood why nursing Eryn felt like she replaced her teeth with knives, and why my head was foggy and pounding. When I mentioned that it was disturbing and shocking, just like getting it for the first time, my sister-in-law said cheerfully, “wow, you’ve had quite the prayer stretch, enjoy your little break.”
Prayer is central to the faith and is an obligatory act of worship that’s performed at certain times of the day. You could even say that prayer helps define what it means to be Muslim. The media loves the stereotypical image of a robed and bearded man, or rows of women in prayer shawls, kneeling and prostrating on a prayer mat — and especially, the particularly spectacular sight of millions bowing down in unison toward the Kaabah in Mecca.
Men and women stand shoulder to shoulder (in their respective, segregated sections) and perform the same motions and say the same Arabic words the world over. With a few variations here and there, the framework of the Islamic prayer is so uniform, that you could join a group praying on another continent and not feel out of place. It binds us together as a global community, provides solace, and expresses love for the divine.
Despite being the spiritual equals of men, women are forbidden to pray during menstruation — and a woman who decides to pray is told she is sinning and committing sacrilege. The way in which this religious law is dealt with by many scholars, online literature, pamphlet Islam, multimedia lecture series, discussion forums and conferences, directly affects how women understand and relate to their bodies and is also used by men to help remove women from active worship and participation in the community.
Ask any woman why she can’t pray during her period and she will most likely tell you that because menstruation is painful, God has lifted the requirement to pray as a kind of concession. She might even follow that up with the argument that the blood flows freely, without end until the period is over, and is an impurity.
Now, the Qur’an does not make any reference to menstruation and prayer. The only reference to how people should relate to this natural process is in respect to sexual intercourse:
And they will ask you about [woman’s] monthly courses. Say: “It is a vulnerable condition. Therefore, stay away from women during their monthly courses, and do not draw near unto them [for sexual relations] until they are cleansed; and when they are cleansed, go in unto them as God has bidden you to do.” Verily, God loves those who turn to repentance and loves those who keep themselves pure. (2:222)
Note that this verse addresses men, not women, and it is telling men when it is permissible to have sexual intercourse with a woman — namely, any time except during their menstruation. The reason given is that menstruation is a “vulnerable condition,” or as other translations would have it, “a hurt and a pollution,” “an illness,” or “a discomfort.” In this verse, the Qur’an is letting men know that sexual relations require a continued, open dialogue and that a woman’s well being needs to be ascertained before the lights go out. The verse has nothing to do with prayer, and yet, it is cited as the most popular reason to why women cannot pray.
Now, it’s very true that many women have horrendous experiences with their menstrual periods. Migraines, pelvic pain, cramping, back pain, blood clots, fever, joint aches, and nausea are just some of the symptoms that can drive any woman into bed with a hot water bottle and her preferred method of pain relief. And this is exactly what many sources reference when producing literature on menstruation and prayer. Women are weakened by blood loss. Women are emotionally fragile. Women suffer in their biological pain. Women are naturally unclean. Therefore compassion towards women’s “condition” is required, and they have been granted a boon not to pray. We’re not even required to perform any make-up prayers.
The problem with this reasoning is that every person with physical capacity is required to perform the ritual movements for prayer. If you have mobility issues, you may use assistance like a chair, shorten the length of your prayer, or lessen the extent of the ritual movements. If you are severely incapacitated by illness or disability, you may use your pinky finger to perform the motions. If you cannot even do that, you may move your eyes. Failing that, you gain reward for your intention to pray. Reasonably, if I am bedridden due to my cramps, I am still physically able to pray.
The second argument relates to the potential impurity of blood. Ritual purity is required for prayer. From a worship standpoint, prayer is held within a sacred space, and ritual washing helps prepare a person mentally and physically by washing off the profane. For minor breakages, purity is gained through the light washing of certain body parts (wudhu) after a person farts, urinates, defecates, sleeps, or loses consciousness; and is gained through a full bath (ghusul) for major breakages after a person has an orgasm (self administered or otherwise) has sexual intercourse, or for women specifically, after menstruating.
Of course, when related to menstruation, much of the literature refers to blood as being a pollution or defilement and by extension, women are impure. Often women will hear that blood defiles everything it touches and is free flowing. I’ve read pamphlets coupling the hardship of menstruation with the notion that God would not want us to pray if we had a major wound, so why would God expect us to pray while we bleed? Some even say that because you have to perform ritual purification for even a drop of blood from a papercut, there’s definitely no praying while menstruating.
Again, the Qur’an does not mention menstruation in regards to prayer or even impurity. Even if you cite the above verse as requiring women to “cleans” themselves because they are impure — it’s within the context of sexual intercourse, not prayer. In verses 4:43 and 5:6, the Qur’an sets out the actions required to make one ritually pure for prayer and lists “calls of nature” and sexual intercourse as the breakers of one’s ritual purity. So, the legal position on blood is mainly defined from the prophetic traditions.
There are plenty of examples from the prophetic traditions where men prayed in the middle of nosebleeds, with the blood streaming down their hands; praying with a freshly severed arm acquired in the battlefield; and the 3rd Caliph, ‘Umar, even prayed while he had a gaping sword wound to his chest. You are also permitted to pray if fresh blood is coming from the cervix, hymen or vagina.
There are also certain rules given for menstruating women who are indeed allowed to pray. If you have an extra heavy flow, or a longer than normal flow that does not stop, you can follow the custom of the women in your community and abstain from prayer for about a week, take a shower and then pray for 2 weeks — taking your menstrual cues from other women. Or, you may combine the noon and afternoon prayers and the sunset and evening prayers, making sure to perform major ritual purification before each and pray until you see fit.
It seems strange to me that based upon the legal permissibility to pray with gaping wounds, people would argue that the 2 ounces of blood lost during a week of menstruation weakens women to a state where they are unable to pray. And that while menstruating women are indeed allowed to pray, and are seen as pure for prayer, there is so much fear mongering for the rest of us.
In light of all of this flowing blood, where do Muslims get the notion that women are not allowed to pray while menstruating and that menstrual blood is unclean? We find it in the common practice and custom of the early Muslims:
The Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said to Fatimah bint Abu Habish, “Do not pray during your period. After it has ended, perform ghusl and pray.” (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.)
To my knowledge, the Prophet never says that menstrual blood is an impurity. In fact, he went to great lengths to illustrate that menstruating women are not physically impure. The most famous is:
‘A’isha reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said to me: Get me the prayer mat from the mosque. I said: I am menstruating. Upon this he remarked: Your menstruation is not in your hand. (Related by Muslim)
From the Prophet we also learn: that while men and women must abstain from penetration during menstruation, they are certainly allowed to do everything from fondling to heavy petting; he used to recite the Qur’an while laying his head in his menstruating wife’s lap; menstruating women can groom others, cook for others, and others can drink from the same cup as a menstruating woman; menstruating women are encouraged to join in religious celebrations, can recite Qur’an and make supplication to God; and that menstruation is a natural occurrence ordained by God.
The capacity of menstrual blood to break ritual purity is taken from a Qur’anic verse (6:145) on what animal products are forbidden for consumption. Listed among pork and roadkill, is the blood of animals that have been slaughtered. The scholars reason that “dead blood” is therefore an impurity because it is forbidden to eat. Fresh blood flowing from veins in a live body however, is not. Which is why you can pray with a bloody nose, but not with a bloody tampon.
That said, it is not the substance itself that is ritually impure, but the state. Because bodily functions are linked to ritual, ideally, one does not become physically impure, and therefore does not physically pollute things they come in contact with (unless you are actually soiled). A few drops of semen on your pants doesn’t mean that you can’t pray in your clothes. You just scrape it off and you’re good to go. Cleanliness is the key. And according to the legal position on purification, it’s the same expectation for menstrual blood.
Yet, many feel that a menstruating woman has the capacity to pollute items she touches — especially the Qur’an. Despite the fact that early scholars up until the 12th century argued that menstruating women could indeed recite and touch the Qur’an. Menstruating women even used to send the Prophet and his wife ‘Aisha samples of their menses on cotton swabs, just to ask if a brown, yellow, or creamy sample was considered clean.
But in their understanding of menstrual blood, some ignore the common practice of taking a ghusul after menstruation, as well as the order to not pray as explaining ritual impurity — instead reasoning that it’s because menstrual blood is akin to the dead blood of slaughtered animals.
The arguments explaining a woman’s relation to her menstruation are based upon a framework where a woman’s state is defined only by external reference: male sexuality and dead blood. You can imagine what damage this reasoning does for a woman in relating to her period, to her sense as a woman, and how this understanding is translated in popular practice.
Now to be fair, there is material and lectures from the pulpit explaining menstruation in positive and healthy ways for women — but primarily focusing on menstruation as a natural process from God, who gave women the strength to endure it. The overwhelming, sometimes innocuous message being sent to women is that they are naturally dirty and spiritually defiled. That their menstrual cycle is something to be hated and feared. That they cannot walk into a mosque, touch a Qur’an, recite the Qur’an, or become an imam. That it takes women longer to memorize the Qur’an or achieve a religious education, because they are out of commission for 25% of the year. That they cannot cut their hair or clip their nails while menstruating due to impurity. That they cannot touch a prayer mat. That if they apply henna to their skin while menstruating, their impurity will last as long as it takes the temporary tattoo to wash off. That it makes women weak, lacking, imperfect and second class. That if you pray you are a sinner. That it’s a reason why more women are in hell than men. That if you question the ruling not to pray, or feel it is unfair, you aren’t faithful enough — or worse, are deluded by Western notions of equality. This is a bit more involved than just being told you can’t pray.
But let me tell you: women pray on their periods. I’m always amused when hoards of women “conveniently” get their period right after the ‘Eid prayers. It’s a celebration, no one wants to sit in the car, in the lobby or in the specially designated areas for menstruating women — they’d rather be with the congregation celebrating. Women take birth control pills and suppress their cycle in order to complete the Hajj. If you’re going to wait years for such an event, you’re not going to let a little blood stop you. Some pray at the Kaabah regardless. An Islamic Art professor once confessed to me that while she was learning from a master calligrapher in India, she would lie about her period — because even learning the art of Qur’anic calligraphy is barred from women on the basis of purity.
If the injunction not to pray is indeed formed upon the common practice as taught by the Prophet, then it is unfair to argue otherwise. Women’s bodies are routinely portrayed negatively in the materials aimed at educating us on what we can and cannot do. Even if the the topic is dealt with respectfully and only notes the physical differences between men and women, relying on the traditional arguments still sets up unhealthy attitudes for women about their bodies.
It’s disingenuous to relate a woman’s purity to a verse on sex that’s not even addressed to her, to her weakness for pain tolerance and to the blood of dead animals. When in fact, menstruation is natural and healthy. It’s the body’s way of preparing the womb for the next cycle and to potentially support new life. Menstruation is renewal. Or as it’s also alluded to in 2:222 of the Qur’an, menstruation is a cleansing.
This post relies on the Qur’anic translation of Muhammad Asad, and refers to legal positions outlined in Fiqh us-Sunnah (sections on Purification, Ghusul, and Menstruation) and Imam Malik’s Muwatta. I am not arguing against the injunction, but how it is presented in popular literature.
January 15, 2011 at 3:44 pm
I agree that the reasoning given by many scholars – who are almost always men – is usually not really helpful. But, in their defense, since men do not experience menstruation, it is often difficult for some to realize what they are saying and how blunt they are being.
InshAllah, we will witness more Shaikha’s who will be able to give more helpful advice on these issues for women. Unfortunately, unlke the time of the Prophet PBUH, we have seen a heavy decline in the field of Islamic scholars who are female, but I think that in recent ties more and more seem to be appearing. Also, if you go places like Al -Azhar, you will find plenty of these ladies, but unfortunately there is little access to their knowledge, especially for non Arabs like me.
January 16, 2011 at 8:57 pm
Thanks for your comment Anonymous — and I second your hope for more female scholars. They’re out there, they just don’t have the authority to speak for the majority of Muslims.
It’s funny that you mention a scholar’s difficulty in understanding menstruation. I think though it’s dangerous for some to allow for stereotypes or assumptions about women to seep into their Islamic teachings. It would be better if an effort to understand or consult women is made when putting together these publications.
February 29, 2012 at 2:11 pm
this is the basic thought palsy. Islam can never be clarified from masculine or feminine view point. Male or female faqih can never differ in rules of Islam only as because s/he’s favoring women or men. this is a rotten idea or attempt to divide Islamic faqah into male and female quarters.
February 29, 2012 at 6:16 pm
lol like Islam isn’t divided along gender lines now?
The last thing we need is more scholars. Just give people a Quran without hadithised translations and misogynistic tafsir and Islam will flourished as it did before the invention of these pernicious stories
October 6, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Khadija is right. It is surprising how many contradicting hadiths are available and just plain troublesome. If those ones were identified and taken out *fingers crossed* some of the strange and silly arguments would hold no water
January 15, 2011 at 4:34 pm
“If the injunction not to pray is indeed formed upon the common practice as taught by the Prophet, then it is unfair to argue otherwise.”
Bingo. As you point out in our own post:
The Messenger of Allah, sal Allahu `alayhi wa sallam, said to Fatimah bint Abu Habish, “Do not pray during your period. After it has ended, perform ghusl and pray.” (Related by Bukhari and Muslim).
December 12, 2016 at 10:14 pm
do you know how many fake Hadith are out there. stick to Sahih hadith and really strong ones.
January 16, 2011 at 3:52 pm
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January 16, 2011 at 8:46 pm
I have NEVER understood how it is bad to pray while having one’s period/ or post-natal unless of course it goes on too long – at which point becomes ok to pray despite blood.
It makes no sense at all. On a side note, my husband was commenting last night how semen is considered pure by many scholars, whereas anything coming out of a female is never seen as pure. It was quite a debate. He knows when this stuff is total BS and yet he simply shrugs and goes with it, because THEY said it and thus it is so.
January 18, 2011 at 11:16 am
It’s a funny little reasoning isn’t it?
Also the point you make about the purity of semen — while I’ve never come across it, I’m not surprised to hear it. There are many things about women in Islam that are defined through male sexuality — which would help make anything coming from a man more pure than a woman (be it bodily fluid or opinion).
Thanks for commenting 🙂
March 10, 2011 at 9:18 am
How can semen be pure if a man has a wet dream and wakes up to find semen, he must make wudu?
November 26, 2011 at 2:07 pm
the confusion about semen being pure comes from the hadith where a man with extreme prostate fluid asks advice from the prophet (SAW) who says to perform wudhu and pray.
I have been researching the menstrual claims as well as niqab claims for a long time and cannot find any clear direction that women MUST cover everything or that women MUST NOT do anything while menstruating.
I have found MANY verses and hadith to contradict the rulings and yet the misogynistic old men get to exert their ignorance and fear of women through controlling womens access to education, professional status and independence.
prevent women from reading the texts and they won’t know it doesn’t say they aren’t allowed to pray, be beautiful or attain the highest levels of education and employment!
female scholars will be marginalised, ridiculed and probably even murdered. They will certainly be hidden or dismissed as the early women up to the 16th C have been.
It is a tragic irony that the greatest gift fro Allah SWT to women has been manipulated and twisted into the horrendous oppression that is sold to them as freedom…..
I feel sick inside when I listen to women talk about their lower status and freedom through burqa etc. I wonder how free the women of Saudi and Iran really feel on hearing that the scholars know best what Allah decrees (even more so that Allah SWT knows, apparently
Khadija Hasan
February 29, 2012 at 2:17 pm
why you need to pray? to whom you need to pray? if Allah don’t ask you to pray, why you insist to pray? for whom and for why? [the prophet-PBUH, is the official translator of Allah’s rule and desire]. insane!!!
January 16, 2011 at 9:59 pm
I was so waiting for a punchline 🙂 i.e. which one is the explanation then! But I feel like it’s implicit in your commentary.
I’ve heard some Sufis describe the state of menstruation as being “in deep prayer.” Perhaps you are in a state that does not admit of duality, because salat is a state of duality, submission and love – but in duality.
January 17, 2011 at 1:21 am
Very interesting thought Shabana. Leave it to the Sufis to romanticize menstruation 🙂
I suppose it comes down to the idea that a menstruating woman is receiving the thawab for prayer, and if she does perform extra duties, the reward is added on to the reward she’s already receiving..? but I like how you say it better.
January 16, 2011 at 11:52 pm
I have always thought that the prohibition of prayer is to give men a big sign in flashing neon lights “GIVE THIS WOMAN A BREAK” (from sex and everything else). As we know men don’t like to take seriously the need to care for women and to see them as something other than domestic robots who care for everyone else and never need caring for themselves. This, however, impresses upon all mankind that WOMEN NEED A BREAK.
Furthermore, there are distinct spiritual benefits to taking a break from prayer, maybe ones that relate specifically to women’s psychology. Absence makes the heart grow fonder– something my friends and I have frequently discussed at length. The break has also taught us deeper dependence on the non-ritual forms of worship– something you appreciate more perhaps if you are a mother in particular, as you find your time and attention to the scheduled daily rituals can be touch-and-go but you also derive deep, sustaining benefits from dhikr, fasting, wirds, etc., (or as Shabana says, “deep prayer”) — things that you keep constantly in your heart at all times.
January 17, 2011 at 1:36 am
I agree, absence does make the heart grow fonder, and I do feel using repetitive dhikr gets my baby to sleep faster than any lullaby — sometimes running through dhikr is the only ibadaat I have time for in the day! Women have certainly been creative with their “time off” which might be an interesting topic for another post.
That said, sometimes women may also be in a position where they yearn, or emotionally require to perform the physical, but can’t because of menstruation (at least, I have) — and as wonderful as dua’a and dhikr is, it’s spiritually painful to think that you cannot feel the closeness to God that ritual can bring. Or that you’re stuck at home while everyone else is at the mosque because you’ve been told that you can’t set foot in the mosque.
Then there’s the rhetoric that if you feel “distant” or “left out” from worship during menstruation, you’re not working hard enough as a woman to dedicate your time to other forms of worship — which is also damaging. “You’re impure, feel left out? You’re not trying hard enough.”
Women may receive a break from prayer, but in reality, some are still expected to work just as hard, if not harder while menstruating because they have all this extra time on their hands.
Thanks for your thought provoking comment!
December 6, 2011 at 9:05 am
I totally agree. My love for dhikr became much stronger as a result of my salaat breaks. And, I totally think there is something about my psychology that benefits from the break. Salaat or not, it gets me so annoyed when I miss a period or am late ( for no good reason). I think the Muslimah’s prayer cycle is in line with her body cycle, and I think things would be out of place if it had been otherwise! We would probably be blogging about the fact that we have to do all the same tasks as men, on top of the fact we have to deal with so many women’s health issues, and how that is unfair!
December 6, 2011 at 11:41 am
A little off topic, but your comment about aligning your prayer cycle with your body cycle reminded me of something…
There’s a great theory that a woman’s menstrual cycle mirrors the cycle of the moon. I know of a few menstrual calendars to help you chart your cycle with the moon’s phase (lunar and menstrual phase locking I think it’s called).
Whenever I thought about the beauty of the Islamic calendar, prayer timings, and the moon I was naturally reminded of my own cycle — and really felt a connection between myself and the Divine nature.
And Subhan’Allah, both times I became pregnant, it happened when my cycle started with the new moon and I conceived on the full moon.
December 28, 2011 at 12:54 am
My sis, Allah is surely just. If u look closely, u’ll see the clearity of His jufairness all around us.
December 28, 2011 at 12:55 am
My sis, Allah is surely just. If u look closely, u’ll see the clearity of His fairness all around us.
January 17, 2011 at 1:12 am
I really love this post. Personally, I’ve never seen the ‘it gives women a much needed break’ arguments as particularly empowering to women in any religious community. I know it’s meant as a positive spin, but I think it smacks of paternalism – like women can’t determine for themselves (as sick people do) that their particular experience with menstruation allows them to fully pray or modify their physical movements. In addition, these traditions/laws are usually either constructed by men, interpreted by men, or enforced by men who have zero 1st hand knowledge of what it feels like to menstruate…my husband has actually questioned me about what my period feels like and how it affects me because he wants to understand my experience, but he also acknowledges that he has no real understanding of what it means to menstruate. And don’t even get me started on how in many religious traditions (including my own), male ritual impurity is dealt with very differently from female impurity (in law, in practice, or in how often we talk about it). Anyway, here’s an interesting thread on the history and practice of Orthodox women taking Holy Communion/touching religious objects
http://www.monachos.net/forum/archive/index.php/t-4421.html
January 17, 2011 at 1:51 am
Very interesting indeed! I vaguely remember reading once that nuns were forbidden in certain parts of the church because of purity laws. Also what struck me was the impurity tied to birthing a son versus a daughter.
But what really really shocked me was the woman who related being told that because Christ’s blood fills the veins during communion, “receiving during menstruation is like spilling the blood of Christ.” So very, very interesting. A very powerful, haunting image to discourage women from participation.
If it’s not too personal, what is your practice when it comes to touching icons, etc?
And as always, your husband is absolutely brilliant.
January 18, 2011 at 2:12 am
I’m not sure if you were reading about Catholic or Orthodox nuns, but most people would have you believe that Orthodox women are never and have never been allowed behind the altar (in fact, when we ‘Church’ children, only a tiny tiny minority of priests will bring a female child to the altar). Of course, historically this is not true (there were deaconesses in the past), women can clean there if there’s no one else to do it (surprise!), and a few girls were altar servers in a few churches before there was a big row about it. One of the reasons given for the general view that women are not allowed is menstruation.
As for me, I never had an Orthodox mother telling me not to commune or light a candle while menstruating. My Godmother once said ‘some women don’t commune while menstruating’ and my former housemate mentioned something about priests not being able to serve if they have cut themselves (in small parishes usually the priest is the only priest and has no choice but to proceed with the Liturgy if he is cut though….) In addition, I don’t think menstruation is sinful, impure (in an Orthodox understanding from the word), or something that separates me from God. And thus I feel no need to stop myself from lighting a candle and sending a prayer to heaven in a church any more than I would disregard St. Paul’s directive to ‘praying without ceasing’ at home.
But to bring things back to Islam, I’m a little fuzzy on this point, but I think women have a general obligation to have sex with their husbands in Islam (just as men have an obligation to satisfy their wives)…but women are not obligated if they are sick? Am I correct on these points? Because if so, it is interesting from the ‘it gives women a break’ interpretation that more time isn’t spent telling men that they should not compel women to have sex when they are sick (if the reason why women need a break is because of cramps/headaches/pain etc.). If women already have the right to decline on account of illness, why the need to make another category of ‘illness?’ And is this too much for the comments section, or what does tradition have to say about other forms of natural vaginal discharge?
January 18, 2011 at 9:06 pm
Now, what would happen if the only priest was completely incapacitated and the only one knowledgeable enough to perform the service was a menstruating woman? 🙂
Thanks for your opinion, I almost wish there was something more explicit in Islamic teachings like St Paul’s directive. I’ve often thought about praying while menstruating, but it’s almost like I have a mental block preventing me. Even when I prayed during the time I was incontinent and was always loosing my wudhu, I never felt like the prayer was valid, even though I knew there was precedent for my situation, and that these prayers are accepted. Which I feel would be the same if I ever decided to pray while menstruating. I have to find a muslimah with an extra long flow and ask how she feels about praying while menstruating and knowing that it’s valid!
And you raise an interesting point about “illness.” I’m not a fan of translating menses as being an “illness” because it’s a natural part of being a woman, and not something that makes us weak. There’s probably a good reason all of the translations include “hurt” “pollution” or “illness” — but it’s not as simple as throwing it into the category of sickness. The idea behind not needing to have sex while you are ill, actually comes from a prophetic saying that “no harm” should be done during the sexual act. The scholars have taken this to include foreplay, not to force sex, and not to have sex if the wife is psychologically or physiologically ill. There is indeed guidance for men regarding how they should approach women during sex — there’s just less of it because it’s not seen as being a religious legal requirement.
Finally, other forms of natural discharge are considered clean. This means clear cervical discharge when a woman is ovulating (which can be quite copious for some), eggwhite discharge, and sticky yellow disharge. Even bleeding from the hymen, or cervical blood vessels (ie: from trauma, fibroids or during labour when the cervix dilates) is considered clean. It’s just the menstrual discharge for 5-7 days that’s considered when placing a woman into an impure state (and the 40+ days of post-partum that I didn’t address in this particular post). Which is very interesting, since during a woman’s entire cycle, her body is constantly preparing, cleaning, shedding, or leaking something!
January 19, 2011 at 6:05 am
For some reason I can’t reply at the bottom of this thread, so I guess I’ll reply here. I also don’t think a period=illness, I just meant that if the worry is about giving women a break because of the side effects some women face, I don’t understand why headache/cramps/pain etc are treated different from other forms of headaches/cramps/pain.
It’s interesting that other forms of vaginal discharge are clean. Perhaps God has God’s own reasons for counting menstruation as different from other forms of sheading/discharge/cleaning, but when it comes to men, it’s always interesting how they so much emphasis is put on blood when our bodies are constantly doing something. I guess the colour and the concept of losing blood over many days is way beyond men’s idea of ‘natural.’ I once had an awful ex who told me ‘if something bleeds for 5-7 days, it should be taken out back and shot.’ He thought that was a really funny joke.
January 19, 2011 at 10:22 pm
ugh. That’s terrible. I’ve heard that joke before from an older and supposedly much wiser man. It just further illustrates how some men understand menstruation: something to be distrusted, feared, disgusted, etc.
January 17, 2011 at 1:47 pm
I, too, don’t see the whole “it’s to give women a break (from prayer, sex, etc.)” Firstly, why do women need a break from prayer? Is it because they are the ones traditionally assigned to the role of parenting, which the man is often exempt from and is only required to provide for the family. If this is why, then it reinforces the subjectivity of women, reinforcing their role as mothers and nothing more. When women are mothers, are men not fathers? But when men are fathers, they are also something else, like employees.
Do men not need a break too? If not, why shouldn’t they? If religion were to deny them this break, then it suggests that women’s “natural roles” (as many consider them) are permanent, which I disagree with, as their roles vary from time to time and society to society and sometimes even individual to individual.
Secondly, a break from sex? Why do women need a break from sex? This only affirms the claim that women don’t like sex or aren’t as much into sex as men are.
I’ll comment on the whole women, prayer, and menstruation thing later. I am still trying to figure out, though, why we can’t pray when on our menstruation, if we really can’t religiously.
January 17, 2011 at 11:32 pm
The Messenger of Allah, sal Allahu `alayhi wa sallam, said to Fatimah bint Abu Habish, “Do not pray during your period. After it has ended, perform ghusl and pray.” (Related by Bukhari and Muslim).
It don’t get clearer then that! There is also a scholarly consensus on this issue by reliable and trustworthy scholars.
http://seekersguidance.org/ans-blog/2010/10/09/why-cant-a-menstruating-woman-touch-the-quran-islams-perspective-on-menstruation/
May Allah (swt) guide us all on the straight path Insha’Allah!
January 17, 2011 at 5:14 am
The prohibition of prayer relates to being in need of ghusl. Both men AND women who are in need of ghusl are not permitted to recite Quran, make salaah or linger in the Mosque.
January 17, 2011 at 1:48 pm
And ghusl breaks with natural and necessary blood such as that from menstruation? Why?
January 18, 2011 at 6:52 pm
Come on now Serenity, don’t be so naive sister. Even men’s ejaculation is considered impure, and a man needs to perform ghusl after such an incident. It’s a very natural thing for them too. It just happens that we are a little different in that regard.
We can’t draw equals in every regard, sometimes we have to accept we are different!
January 18, 2011 at 8:14 pm
When externalized, ejaculation and menstrual blood are not considered impure per se. For example, they’re treated differently than the saliva from a dog which a “contaminated” item has to be washed with mud and then seven times with water.
Wet semen and menstrual blood can be rubbed off a garment and “spot washed”. Dry semen and menstrual blood can be scratched off. In both cases, the item can be worn for prayer. Of course, the injunction to be clean in general takes precedence.
What’s really interesting is that the need for ghusul is required when the two sexual organs touch — irrespective of orgasm.
It’s the state of menstruation, the state of orgasm, or the state of sexual contact that makes one ritually impure.
January 18, 2011 at 8:05 pm
Just to offer another point of view: there isn’t scholarly consensus if a ritually impure person can recite the Qur’an or not. There are schools of thought who say that the “impure” can indeed recite and touch the Qur’an.
January 18, 2011 at 3:07 pm
Brilliant post! I have never read something this good and thorough on period Vs prayer before. Thanks for sharing this information with us.
January 18, 2011 at 8:33 pm
Interesting way of seeing things. Love the discussion ladies!
January 18, 2011 at 10:26 pm
Interesting, thanks for this interesting discussion, I have often thought about this and discussed this with my husband. One issue I have always thought about is using my favorite legal tool – qiyas in this situation to come up with a new ruling. I remember reading hadith or some narratives that women would sit in places (in the mosque or somewhere else, I forget, maybe someone can recall where this story is from), with bowls to collect their menstrual blood. Obviously back then, hygiene standards were pretty primitive, so whether they had to sit at home and sit over a bowl, or use cotton pads, none of the supplies they had must have been very good. My Egyptian husband who comes from a small delta village told me that his sisters and mother back in the days didn’t have feminine supplies, and would literally stay at home during their entire periods since they were so worried about leakage and didn’t have anything that could absorb the flow efficiently and sanitary and education standards in the village were very low.
Alhamdullilah, we are lucky to live in a world with so many options and don’t have to worry about leakage or anything (well, almost never ;-p). So perhaps back in the days, women did actually have to worry about leaking blood and staining the mosque floor or blood flowing out while they prayed. We can do anything we want now, even swim and climb mountains, during our periods using many different products and if we entered a mosque, there would be no risk of physically polluting the carpet with our actual blood.
So I wonder if scholars could use qiyas to reconsider menstruation in the modern period, since we are able to control it much better than in the past and don’t leave behind stains or pools of blood wherever we go. Just a thought I have had for a while, and this seems like the right place to share it. Would love to hear your thoughts on this…
That said, I must admit that I do appreciate and enjoy my little break every month, I get to relax a bit and eat a little chocolate and not feel guilty since I deserve it during that time of the month!
January 19, 2011 at 11:20 pm
Love, love, love your suggestion on qiyas. Thanks so much for posting your comment. I’ve often wondered about something similar: What would the Prophet say if he knew in some places people could take a ghusul every day, several times a day without even thinking about it? Or that much of the global community uses scientific calculations for prayer times and calculating the sighting of the moon? That women pray in closed rooms where they follow an imam broadcast live from the main prayer hall — but that we’re not allowed to follow live broadcast prayers from Mecca? Reasoning that men could shave their beards and women can remove their hijabs after 9/11 is an example of qiyas. I’m sure if we sat here long enough, we could come up with many examples of where qiyas has benefited communities (or harmed), and areas in which new qiyas could benefit us further.
During my research on this post, I kept coming across ahadeeth referencing women wearing special menstrual clothes, or wrapping a garter-like garment around them to help keep their clothes and home clean. One even referenced a woman who had a heavier than normal flow, and told the Prophet that she could fill a bathing vessel with her blood (probably not a full bathtub, but more like a water jug). He told her to make a ghusul, bandage up the area and pray normally.
Even today, some women opt to go the “natural” route and control their menstrual blood with a “bowl.” The Keeper is a tiny, natural rubber cup that’s inserted like a tampon to collect the blood.
It would be interesting to hear scholarly opinion on this. Again, the reasoning of the Prophet’s injunction is based on the scholarly understanding of “dead” blood — so what if the scholarly understanding of cleanliness included considering current hygiene practices? How would that change things? It’s definitely something to consider further.
(I’m all for eating chocolate and not feeling guilt too!)
November 26, 2011 at 2:24 pm
it’s a narration from Ai’sha in the book of menstruation where she states she prayed beside the prophet (SAW) and held a bowl under her. He embraced his wives (when they had a ‘waist wrapper’ between them), bathed with her and slept with her during menstruation.
I cannot find a single clear reason why women should be PROHIBITED from prayer that is based on equality and justice (as the Qur’an is)
The hadith narrated by al-Bukhari is the ONLY clear instruction but what is the whole context? Why do we assume this applies as a general rule to all women at all times?
There is no contention over whether men cover their heads or grow a beard and neither would preclude them from positions of status or knowledge because they are matters of CHOICE not biology….
I will follow the scholars (whichever school) when the school is made up of 50% women and 50% of the scholars received their general education outside of Asian or Arab countries…
January 18, 2011 at 10:31 pm
Very well written and all the salient arguments. Many of Islams prohibitions against intercourse, prayer, and other things comes from Judaism. As you can see they don’t come from the Quran. We seem to forget how close the proximity was to Jews during the formative times of the Quran and how closely related the religions are. If you study Family purity of Judaism you will see the striking similarities. That aside blood itself was never seen as polluted in the Torah. In fact in several places it sounds as if blood has “spirit” when Cain kills his brother Abel God says he could hear Abel’s blood crying out to him. And when animals were sacrificed it was for the blood, not the meat. Women traditionally were separated from men during their menses because they feared bleeding women. Someone who could bleed and not die, was powerful, a witch perhaps? Womens blood also had magical properties and was used to keep a wayward man at home and to make one who didn’t, love you.
November 8, 2011 at 7:28 pm
“Many of Islams prohibitions against intercourse, prayer, and other things comes from Judaism. As you can see they don’t come from the Quran” – I can understand the ‘proximity’ argument, but when has Islam appropriated ritualistic rules from Judaism, for example, without it being made explicit in the Quran or through the words of the word (that is Hadeeth)?
From you comment, it seems you are content in relying upon the Quran and not surveying the hadith literature and it’s content?
January 18, 2011 at 11:07 pm
I don’t know, but to me ‘menstruation’ the actual cycle is different from the ‘menstrual blood’ itself.
I am of the opinion that menstrual blood is ‘impure’ (because its dead blood cells peeling of the wall and exiting out of our sex organ) but that the cycle itself is an act of purification and cleansing of the body.
Looking at it from a spiritual perspective, wudu has a very symbolic meaning. It is not just about ‘cleaning’ your body, but preparing the soul to face God. Each time we wash ourselves for prayer we are washing off our sins. Ghusl is just a higher state of purification for the human soul. Ghusl purifies our hearts and minds from our primordial state.
Also, does the fact that ‘menstrual blood’ is coming out of the vagina, have to do something with its close relation to intercourse? If one pees blood it isn’t the same as ejecting dead blood cells from the sexual reproductive organ. So where this blood originates may have something to do with it’s ‘impurity’ no? Just like intercourse originates at the same place, and requires ghusl.
What do you think?
January 20, 2011 at 12:24 am
I agree, there’s a special spiritual cleansing achieved through wudhu and ghusul, and I really like how you’ve worded it.
You make a compelling point about the location of blood from the sexual organ. But the requirement for people to make ghusul when the sexual organs touch is something decided upon by some of the scholars. There are ahadeeth saying that if a man has sexual intercourse with a woman and withdraws without having orgasm, all he has to do is wash his penis and then perform ablution. Not ghusul.
Also if pre-ejaculate exits the penis, the man is not required to make ghusul, only to wash himself and then perform wudhu.
So if purity is something to do with the close relation of intercourse, then it seems to only apply to women.
As for the dead nature of menstrual blood, I’ve recently discovered that researchers use menstrual blood for stem cell research because it is so nutrient rich and apparently alive with the wonder-cells.
Menstrual discharge is made up of white blood cells, tissue, water, a protein compound called “mucin,” cervical fluid, vaginal secretions, day-old blood to feed some of the layers, and fresh blood that is used to help peel away the uterine lining from the wall of the uterus. Much of the uterine lining is reabsorbed into the body and the rest is expelled by the force of the fresh blood pushing against the lining.
So the amount of “dead blood” is actually minimal when you see what the lining is actually made up of. The rest is fresh, clean blood, mucus and tissue which according to the scholars, is clean.
You can also bleed from your cervix, vagina or hymen and pray without ghusul. So, how can we account for the fact that menstruating women are allowed to pray if their periods are too heavy, or longer than 7 days?
(I know that it is claimed that the longer flows are “from a vein” and not menstrual blood. But there are sources saying that an extra heavy flow is also grounds for being able to pray)
January 20, 2011 at 12:50 am
With my last comment I was more like ‘thinking out loud,’ but I soon realized how my reasoning would be problematic. Thanks for taking the time to respond anyway.
Both men and women have fluid that exit the sexual organs and would only require ablution, and not ghusl – given that this fluid must be clear and odorless. This here gets a little messy because it all depends which school of thought one accepts. I find imam Sha’fi to be most straight forward in this regard.
When we see any color, it’s required of both sexes to make ghusl.
Also, if menstrual blood were beneficial to us, why would our body dispose of it each month? I don’t know, may be it’s me but I don’t consider any fluid coming form that area of our body to be ‘clean.’ Whether it be urine, poop, menstrual blood, or any other fluid.
Could it also be claimed that the blood is only ‘impure’ when it exits the body. Because this same blood is used by our body to form a child, when a woman becomes pregnant, and no-one would say the baby is ‘impure.’
October 10, 2011 at 1:39 pm
hey great article here, masha’allah.
I couldnt stop myself from adding something here. During one of the educative classes in my all girls school, we had a old wise nun giving us a sex education talk. There was one point she made that really made sense to me and gave me some realisation to why menstrual blood is considered impure. What she said was, that menstrual blood when its in our body, its definitely not impure, she went on to state that how can the lining that serves as a bed to our baby be impure. BUT when the blood is released from our body , it mixes with the oxygen in air that’s when it becomes impure, and that’s why that blood is considered to be impure!
October 11, 2011 at 1:39 pm
@potentialhijabi — thanks for your comment!
It’s quite the interesting theory, though I wonder how it works with something like a nosebleed or really, any type of blood that mixes with oxygen?
January 19, 2011 at 1:13 am
So then WHY can’t women pray?? If we accept the authenticity of the hadith that women shouldn’t pray, then why can’t they? I totally get the lack of validity for the “woman is weak” or “woman needs a break” or “it’s painful” arguments. But….what, then? Why is it stipulated as part of our religion? Why did Allah make us this way, then prohibit us from salat?
I still don’t have a decent answer for this 😦
January 19, 2011 at 2:22 am
I too want to barf when i hear a man explain that menstruation is God’s way of giving us a break (oh please). Why do men have to reach for these explanations? I hate being patronized like that. I agree with WT, that its the way this stuff is presented in literature that is very dissappointing. Menses may not be pleasant for everyone, but for the majority its no big deal. Its pretty amazing how a woman can get a sense of her health throgh menstruation. It should be looked upon as a healthy, and positive experience… especially to young girls entering puberty. That will be my approach with my little tiny girl.
What does bother me is…..not being able to fast, and therefore making up Ramadan….
January 19, 2011 at 2:23 am
PS this post rocked!
January 19, 2011 at 10:34 am
What about travellers? When we travel, we have our prayers shortened, and can even mix prayer timings. And that’s for both men and women!
January 19, 2011 at 4:12 pm
“I totally get the lack of validity for the “woman is weak” or “woman needs a break” or “it’s painful” arguments. But….what, then?”
I agree- the apologetic answers make little sense. The answer is: women do these things because they were commanded to by God and the Prophet (salAllahu `alayhi wa sallam).
January 20, 2011 at 6:36 am
I second this. As a feminist I’ve never been comfortable with the “women are less capable during this time” explanation.
January 20, 2011 at 6:35 am
Thanks for this! I knew about this perspective before but reading your post prompted me to ask my mother about this, and she said it wasn’t because it was only blood but fluid flow from a particular area, which is why both men and women are in a state of impurity with any kind of fluids are realized from external sex organs.
Another commenter asked why we should continue to pray then if menstruation continues past 7 days. I always thought of that as a kind of forgiveness, but of course then there are other inconsistencies. Not sure how to feel.
January 20, 2011 at 2:30 pm
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January 21, 2011 at 1:39 am
I find myself here again!
I just want to add that there are so many misconceptions and myths about women who are menstruation. I once had a conversation with a muslim who told me that intercourse during menses gives men sexually transmitted diseases. Thats how dirty we are perceived to be.
Want to know the worst part? It was a WOMAN who told me that!!!
I know that relations during menses are forbidden; cant muslims just leave it at that?
January 21, 2011 at 9:57 pm
It would be nice right? 🙂 But people need the explanation — and unfortunately the explanation is really built upon misconceptions of the female anatomy and misogynist opinion. And we’ve heard it for so long, of course women would participate in this myth building.
January 21, 2011 at 10:08 pm
Salam alaikum,
We all enter and are removed from states of ritual impurity. This has everything to do with the limited nature of humanity, and absolutely nothing to with women being more or less pure than men. Losing sight of this erects a barrier between us and Allah (swt) incapable of being removed by any amount of water or earth.
January 22, 2011 at 12:04 am
That’s quite beautifully said, Jafar!
January 22, 2011 at 7:17 pm
Al-hamdulillah, I am grateful for the receiving the tawfiq to reach this conclusion.
I hope that when viewed from this light, menses, as well as all forms of ritual impurity, would be imderstood as a reminder of our existence in relation to Allah and a divine favor to us.
January 23, 2011 at 9:30 am
Jafar, I have no problem with God telling me I am ritually impure in certain states. The problem is when men tell me this, with no sound proof whatsoever.
I do believe that the hadith in which the Prophet tells his daughter not to pray during her period is valid; since the Qu’ran tells us only to pray, and not how to pray or in what conditions we must pray, we are taught these things by the Prophet (P). And so, to be consistent, I do believe that the state of menstruation is a ritual impurity until it overstays its welcome.
However, I’ve been told while sitting in the prayer area before that I am not only sinning by sitting there during a state of impurity but that I was violating the purity of everyone else! In the second hadith woodturtle quoted, it is made clear that the Prophet (P) did not see women this way. It is an invention of inconsistent and likely ill-meaning men to create the message that women are less pure.
That is my problem.
February 22, 2011 at 12:36 pm
Wa salam Nahida,
My point is that individuals who regard women as less than men because women menstruate suffer from a spiritual impurity which no amount of ritual purification can remove. Everyone should recall the position of Iblis (la) that he was cursed not for his act of disobedience but because he was arrogant (“I am better than him, I am made of fire while he is made of clay”). Iblis (la) is said to have performed acts of worship for centuries, and that prior to the creation of Adam (as), Iblis (la) was the closest of Allah’s (swt) servants. Iblis (la) lost everything because of his belief that he was superior to Adam (as) due to perceived physical superiority to Adam (as).
The parallels between the belief of Iblis (la) and the belief of those who find themselves superior to women because of menstruation should terrify anyone who holds such a position.
Sister, from what little I have read, remaining in a masjid under certain conditions is not forbidden to menstruating women exclusively. Anyone who is in a state of ritual impurity caused by sexual intercourse or the emission of semen, (i.e. in a state of janab) is forbidden from staying in a Masjid. Seminal emission is a condition which is exclusive to men, with nocturnal emissions being both prevalent amongst young men and unexpected. The focus of some individuals on menstruating women, the treating of women as some separate lesser form of Muslim, can only be attributable to ignorance and falling into the traps Iblis (la) has set for us.
January 31, 2011 at 4:46 pm
I’m only a convert to Islam and I’m even having issues with the Hadith’s interpretation of a woman’s place. I find it absurd that Allah (SAW) would intentionally place me in a state in which I’m not able to become closer to him. Therefore, I’m on odds with praying during my period. I feel that its unfair that I’m indirectly implied as being the weaker vessel because of a natural discourse.
February 22, 2011 at 1:12 pm
Salaam alaikum,
First, as a convert, I do not think it is healthy for you to refer to yourself as “only a convert.” The first generation of Muslims were all converts to Islam, and yet they are widely considered to be the best generation of our community.
Second, I am unaware of any physical state which would make it impossible to draw closer to Allah (swt). This in fact would be absurd. There are physical states, menstruating being one of them, in which particular actions are not allowed, yet greater proximity to Allah (swt) is achievable in all states. I would wager that an individual engrossed in business would have greater barriers to over come in seeking greater proximity to Allah (swt) then a menstruating women.
Finally, I so not believe the inference can properly be drawn that women are inferior to men because of menstruation. This does not negate the legal conclusion that certain actions cannot be performed in certain physical states. What is required is further reflection by those who would place women in an inferior position to men due to a physical state. This is abject blindness to a woman’s spiritual virtues mirroring the blindness of Iblis (la) to the spiritual virtues of Adam (as).
February 22, 2011 at 4:40 pm
Jafar, thanks for your comment.
This is the second time you’ve used ableist language in your comments, and I’d like to ask you to refrain from doing so.
As effective as the mental image may be, using terms such as “blindness” to describe ignorance, hubris or any other negative connotation helps stigmatize and could be potentially offensive to others.
February 22, 2011 at 7:01 pm
Salaam Wood Turtle
I have actually made the point at least once that we are all “disabled” to the extent that every single one of us is limited physically despite whatever apparent physical abilities we may think we have, that ritual purity is a means of reminding everyone of their physical limitations, while the remembrance of Allah transcends them.
That you would choose to focus on the word “blindness,” (a word used throughout the Qur’an to describe lack of spiritual development) as opposed to the substance of what I have posted is truly unfortunate.
February 22, 2011 at 9:00 pm
Wasalaam. What’s unfortunate is that you chose a word that’s personally offensive to me and a specific member of my family — irrespective of that word’s potential usage in the Quran. I’m disappointed you failed to understand my request.
February 22, 2011 at 10:09 pm
Wasalam
Then let me offer my apologies to you, your family and anyone else who may have been offended by a word used with no intention of causing any. I hope that perfection is not considered the standard for participating in public discourse, else we are all forced to remain silent.
November 6, 2012 at 1:25 pm
walaykum salaam sis Ramen.
You are not “only” anything, You are a Muslimah, how do you fell 1 and a hlaf years on?
For anyone else reading this, remember you are not further away from Allah when you don’t pray, the fact you are leaving something haram, means you will be rewarded.
February 11, 2011 at 3:53 am
This is something which has bothered me since I began questioning what we have accepted to be ‘status quo’ in muslim communities. I HATE the argument of us being given ‘a break’, both for its patronising nature, irreligiosity (really, isn’t prayer for me more than for God) and irreverence really. I pray when I have my period because I feel that this is my connection to God. My very own special time with God and I somehow doubt that on the day of Judgement God is going to begrudge this of me.
February 22, 2011 at 1:01 pm
Salam Alaikum Khadeeja,
Would you pray in a state of ritual impurity after having had sexual intercourse, passing gas, urinating, defecating, sleeping, or touching a dead body before it has been washed?
Look at all the things humanity has achieved in terms of mastery over creation. It would be very easy for us to fall into the trap of calling ourselves deities as Farun did. Our physicality is, or should be, a reminder to us and those around us of our limitation. This is the reason I believe Allah (swt) has created each of us with different capacities. Yet the reminder we see everyday in terms of an Olympic athlete and a paraplegic are insufficient.
Ritual impurity is about a constant five times a day reminder of our limitations, and that despite this limitations we have the capacity to transcend our physical limitations and draw closer to Allah. I suspect everyone reading this has had the experience of saying the opening Takbir of salat only to pass gas. Perhaps some have had this happen several times in sequence. This bodily demands, beyond our control, are not curses to be overcome but blessings to be cherished. It is only through our physical existence that we are blessed with the capacity to act, giving reality to our assertion that we believe in Allah (swt) as our Creator and Sustainer.
While ritual prayer is an extraordinary means of connecting to Allah, it is not the only. When compared to ritual prayer, the remembrance of Allah (swt) is considered to be a higher act of worship, one which can be performed in all physical status. There are a variety of supplications which can be made when, form example one enters the restroom, uses it, exits it, and perform wudu afterwards. Observing the rules of rituals purity is therefore not only an act reminding us of our physical limitations but also of our spiritual existence which transcends those physical limitations.
February 24, 2011 at 9:23 am
All of those ‘states of impurity’ you cite can be ‘recovered from’ by a washing or ritual ablution. However, women get their period with regularity month on month for on average 7 days. The analogy is therefore invalid.
Somehow, I don’t imagine a God so severe he would like to punish me for reaching out to him. The wudhu is symbolic and a ritual purification. Doesn’t actually make you more pure (spiritually). So it really is a state of mind.
And to be frank- Islam gives rise to enough interpretation (Allah’s word is divine but human interpretation isn’t!) for me to feel comfortable praying when I have my period.
And agreed- perhaps ritual impurity reminds us to be humble in the face of the greater divine- and I do buy into that concept, however that then implies that females are more ritually impure than males (and hence can do less acts of devotion) and this invalidates the Quranic injunction on equality.
Thanks
February 24, 2011 at 1:04 pm
Salaam alaikum,
Sister you mention three exceptional aspects of menstruation, it cannot be removed by washing, it applies only to one gender, and length of time.
The first exceptional issue applies to all conditions giving rise to ritual impurity in that one cannot perform major or minor ritual purity prior to the cessation of the condition. One could not form example perform ritual purity while in the process of using the bathroom.
Second, there are aspects of ritual purity which apply only to men, and therefore menstruation as a condition applying to only one gender is not exceptional.
This leaves only length of time as an exceptional aspect of menstruation.
The implication that women are somehow less pure than men because of menstruation only arises if physical and spiritual impurity are equated. Since they are not equal, the implication is not valid.
And just for a point of clarification, is it your position that either a) menstruation is not a condition giving rise to the need to perform ritual purification after its cessation, or b) that performance of ritual purification is not a precondition of prayer? Also is this a personal position or is there a source you can refer me to further reading on the matter? As far as my limited reading on matters of law is concerned, all the sources I have encountered state that menstruation is a condition giving rise to the need to perform ritual purification and ritual purification is a precondition to ritual prayer. Having a contra source would be very useful.
February 24, 2011 at 1:40 pm
Salaams Jafar,
Women may be in a state of menstruation for approximately 7 days, but we do not physically bleed 24/7. The amount of substance (mucus, water, fluid, blood) is minimal (2 tablespoons or so). So in fact there are long periods (excuse the pun) of time during this week where we do not “bleed.” This becomes problematic because the requirement to make ghusul is all about the blood and not about the state.
Please tell me which aspect of ritual impurity relates only to men.
You’re right to say that it’s invalid to imply that women are less pure when spiritual and physical impurity are equated. But people do make this implication — and it’s unfortunate.
February 24, 2011 at 3:33 pm
Salaam alaikum,
Your point about the actual amount of “bleeding” which occurs called to mind this article. It is a detailed discussion of the fiqh of menstruation from Shi’a perspective written by a sister. http://www.al-islam.org/womensissues/. I have to say I found it much more lucid than those written by men. The long and short of the article is that there are different types of menstruation and that depending on the type of menstruation observed by the particular woman, prayer would not only be possible, but obligatory (there are however two opinions presented in this regard).
The issue of ritual purification applying only to men is ensuring urine has been removed from the penis, prior to washing away physical impurities and performing ritual purification.
February 25, 2011 at 10:17 pm
Salaams Jafar,
I haven’t had an opportunity to read the entire text, but it looks very interesting from what I’ve read so far. Thank you for linking to it.
As for ensuring urine is removed properly — women also have to ensure that she is properly cleaned after reliving herself. Like men, women also have urine escape from their urethra if they have not emptied their bladder fully, or have muscular degeneration. This becomes a more urgent matter after childbirth and middle age, when the pelvic floor weakens, causing various degrees of organ prolapse, and a greater chance that urine will inadvertently escape from the urethra. So I don’t think it’s a fair assessment to say that only men must ensure that urine is removed from their urethra.
In addition, many also argue that in order to make a proper ghusul after menstruation, women must wipe themselves three times with a musk-scented cloth (something that not a lot of women do. At least I don’t out of fear of skin irritation and belief that it’s just not necessary). That’s pretty gender specific. About as specific as ensuring that all drops of urine have been removed from the urethra from both men and women.
In any case, these are more of a fiqhi issue, and can be readily resolved my making wudhu. It’s not a hardship to clean a few drops of urine or as preventative as forbidding prayer due to menstruation.
Anyway — thanks for the comment, you’ve raised some interesting points.
February 26, 2011 at 8:25 pm
Salaam alaikum,
The issue pertaining to men does not deal with washing or emptying the bladder fully. It is a particular methodology for ensuring that all the urine was left the urethra and if this not done prior to washing and making wudu, both are consider void and must be repeated.
Of course this is not similar to menstruation in terms of the degree to which it impedes particular acts of worship. In that regard the duty of men to provide for their wives, children and (according to some) their elderly parents is the only parallel duty men have which prevents them from the performance of prayer to a similar degree as menstruation does for women. Opinions of course very widely regarding what maintenance is obligatory ranging from a particular set amount of grain, a room for privacy, and buying a set of seasonally appropriate clothing, to maintaining a woman according to the standards she is accustom and equal to women of a similar background. Less clear is the issue of household responsibilities. From what I have read women are not required to perform any form of household services, and at most are said to be responsible for looking after the household while her husband is not at home. This basically means that when it comes to cooking, cleaning, laundry etc. men either need to do it themselves or hire someone to do it.
It would of course be very easy to fall back into the trap of “weak sex verse strong sex” or “inferior verse superior,” however I believe that as the verses and portion of the supplication by Ali (ra) indicate, while the various conditions in which we may find ourselves due to the obligations placed upon us either by rules of fiqh or simply by being members of an interdependent society do not always allow for the performance of prayer (for example), we can always engage in the remembrance of Allah until, in sha Allah, our entire lives are a continuous act of remembrance.
Of course remembrance, just like ritual prayer is not the goal itself. “I turn my face (myself) to the Creator of the heavens and earth,” and “And to Allah is the return” and “And to Allah is the goal,” all indicate that the acts and remembrance of our lives are nothing more than the means of achieving the end of drawing as close to Allah as we possibly can.
I apologies if anything I have written has been offense either in terms of word used or the manner in which they were employed. I have heard it said once by someone relating the advice of a great modern mystic that the starting point in this journey we are on is to first do that which is obligatory and refrain from the prohibited. As all those here have demonstrated, this is no easy task and can often lead to very hair splitting points of law (musk scented cloth for example). Placing these fine points of law in an overall framework which does not do violence to the broader principle that we are all equally servants of Allah is a necessary process of reflection so that we are not blindly running down a pathway which may not lead us the end which we are seeking.
As matter of full disclosure I happen to follow Jafari fiqh (i.e. am Shia) so my opinions regarding the Islam and how to approaching legal matters fall somewhat outside of the norm.
February 25, 2011 at 2:47 am
I was not implying that physical equality implied spiritual equality. Instead, what I was saying though is if acts of devotion are used as the measure of gauging spiritual equality then a women who be deemed inferior by her inability. Which to me clearly goes against the ayats 3:195 and 33:35.
This idea of spiritual inequality is emphasised by the daif hadith which says a women is lesser than a man. Which contravenes the Quran.
I haven’t found research supporting this as such but I feel that several injunctions (non core) give rise to Ijtihad. I haven’t yet read an argument which convinces me otherwise. And it goes against my belief of a god. I still perform Wudhu as the ritual purification. But will not cease my Salah. If a period longer than a certain period (haha excuse the pun) is no longer impure then the original rule just seems arbitrary and another means for men to exclude women from participation.
February 25, 2011 at 12:54 pm
Salaam alaikum
Sister have you considered the following verses,
Recite what has been revealed to you of the Book and establish prayer; indeed prayer restrains from filth and evil; and certainly the remembrance of God is greatest; and God knows what you do. 29:45
or
Oh you believe believe, seek help with patience and prayer, indeed Allah is with the patient. 2:153
Or the supplication of Ali (ra) when he said,
I beseech you by your glory and your honour, by your supremely high attributes and by your names to cause me to utilise my time, day and night, in your remembrance, by engaging myself in serving you and to let my deeds be such as to be acceptable to you, so much so that all my actions and offerings may be transformed into one continuous and sustained effort and my life may take the form of constant and perpetual service to you.
From these verses and supplications it appears that while the importance of prayer is emphasized, it is not the objective we are aiming for. Reaching a position in which we are perpetually engaged in the remembrance of Allah, and not the act of prayer, is what we are seeking.
While the apparent conclusion can be made that women, as they are unable to pray during their periods, are spiritual inferior to men, one could also draw the exact opposite conclusion in that men are unable to attain a state of perpetual remembrance of Allah without engaging in constant physical acts of devotion.
I think the healthier conclusion would be menstruation is a blessing to all of us because it demonstrates that achieving proximity to Allah is based on remembrance of Allah, and not contingent upon the performance of particular acts of devotion. Or in other words the substance of who we are, people who strive for Allah’s remembrance, is more important than the form, individuals who perform prayer.
fi aman Allah,
Jafar
March 8, 2011 at 2:39 pm
This was an interesting read.
I’m very sorry that this was your and some other women’s experiences with menstruation.
I was raised in Islam and not ONCE was I ever told the **I** was unclean or impure. It was never so much as implied that there was some part of menstruation which was dirty or made anything else I did or touched “polluted.”
I take the break as a Mercy from Allah SWT. Only He knows how he made His creation and what is best for us. The answers that some of us come up with for “why?” are inadequate and we should trust in Allah SWT the He knows better than we do.
March 10, 2011 at 10:14 pm
Salaam alaikum UmmSakina,
We have been commanded to contemplate the creation of Allah (swt), therefore, discussions such as this are a fulfillment of our duty. This does not mean we assume to have an absolute knowledge which belongs only to Allah (swt).
May 25, 2011 at 2:26 am
Slmz sisters… Please bear in mind, ANYTHING WHICH FLOWS CONTINUOUSLY FROM THE PRIVATE PARTS IS IMPURITY!
Urine, stool, and wind are a daily part of our lives. We do it all the time, thus making Ghusl has not been required after it occurs as it would be extremly diffucult, so we just make Wudhu. Periods on the othet hand, come once a month for most women, and since this is not an everyday occurance as it continuously flows for a around 3-10 days, in such a case, we are required to make Ghusl as our bodies have been impure for a number of days.. And Allah knows best!
November 6, 2012 at 1:27 pm
No its not though, if your nifas is more then 40/60 days (depending on madhab) then it is not an impurity it is abnormal bleeding and you can pray, same with menses you need a certain time between periods and if you dont have this time then it is irregular bleeding and you can pray.
July 14, 2011 at 7:59 pm
I am just a poor infidel, but I must say it seems ungracious of your God to refuse to accept prayers from faithful believing menstruating women.
July 14, 2011 at 8:20 pm
Ouch. Don’t say that about yourself. There are no infidels — and I hope there’s nothing on this blog that would lead you to believe I’d accept such a statement.
It does seem ungracious… unbelievable in fact, for God, the Most Forgiving, all-Peaceful, Serene, and Loving to refuse anyone’s prayers.
August 4, 2011 at 11:03 am
You haven’t provided any information about yourself other than you aren’t muslim. You may therefore be unaware that the word prayer in English is used for two different words in Arabic, one referring to a specific ritual, while the other refers to calling upon God generally. The ritual “salat” has specific prerequisites, while calling upon God “du’a” had none.
July 16, 2011 at 3:19 pm
Thank you for this post, WT. To be honest it took me quite a while to process because initially the deafening alarm bell of “What? We should be able to pray while we have our periods?” had to be deafened 🙂 But there were some points that do resonate with me.
– I have also always been resentful of the idea that women who have their periods are impure and agree the constructions around this idea are detrimental.
– I’ve also never really liked the argument that women are in need of a ‘break’ from prayer and agree that such an idea, as put well by another commentator, indeed smacks of paternalism.
– I also cannot help but wonder why women cannot have intercourse while in their menses (for reasons besides being ‘impure’). The only rationale I give myself is that absence of intercourse will make the heart grow fonder, and that not having access to something for some time makes one value it and rejoice in it more. It’s not about being in a state of impurity as much as it’s simply a marker, a set period of time penetration (but interestingly, nothing else) is off limits for a couple. I think such a foundation makes for a very good exercise in focusing on intimacy that does not involve penetration.
There is also something that a religious studies professor once said to my class that for some reason put me at peace when it comes to differences in religious obligations for men and women. He suggested that perhaps the reason women have such exemptions from religious duties is that they are from the onset innately closer to God. They don’t have to work as consistently as men do to maintain that relationship. Maybe I’m just holding on to the one idea that doesn’t denigrate women, but it’s worked for me.
Those were just my two cents. Very interesting post and enjoyed the comments as well.
July 17, 2011 at 11:47 pm
Hey! Glad you commented 🙂
What is it about religious studies professors? I was told the same once upon a time. It seems like an easy out to say that women are more naturally spiritual, closer to God and therefore, we are not as duty-bound in the fulfillment of religious requirements. I wonder if this is a Judeao-Christian-Islamic worldview and what other faiths have to say about women’s innate spirituality.
Regardless, it is a nice idea and I’ve also held onto it from time to time.
July 18, 2011 at 10:52 am
I agree, nice thought, but I’m not sure if it has been articulated in Abrahamic traditions. Rather, it’s pagan traditions (that have priestesses, etc.) that contain and celebrate the superiority of female spirituality.
July 18, 2011 at 11:22 am
hmmm… well the only reason I included Abrahamic traditions was because that was the source of this tidbit of knowledge. Interesting, no? Perhaps it’s not overtly articulated in these traditions, but I had an Orthodox Jewish professor and an imam tell me the same thing!
July 18, 2011 at 2:25 pm
Wow! It’s a lovely explanation but now I’m starting to feel like I want to understand where it comes from exactly. Seems like they’re onto something! Or so I hope, anyway.
August 3, 2011 at 10:45 pm
Common sense tells me that during the prophet pbuh’s times, people did not have effective and efficient hygienic products or means to endure their menstrual cycles, which is why perhaps it is reported that women were told not to pray. 2011 is a very, very, very different time when we have countless hygenic products for women that should translate into a very different perspective regarding prayer and menstruation. It definitely needs to be revisited by scholars in light of modern changes.
August 4, 2011 at 10:52 am
Salaams happygomuslim and welcome!
You know, I always wonder when I hear that “back then” people were not “as modern” — especially since many modern menstrual inventions were based upon models found in antiquity. If women showed the Prophet (saw) pieces of blood stained cotton, and the scholars mention inserting a clean cloth to test when the flow has ended, it seems to me that women had more than just leaves or a menstrual blanket at their disposal 😀 Which suggests to me that women were being told not to pray based upon factors outside of hygiene.
That said, I absolutely agree with you that these perspectives should be revisited in light of modern changes.
August 4, 2011 at 1:20 pm
I see your point, and that is why it feels like perhaps there isn’t one answer to fit this matter. Considering that there are reports that state the prophet allowing women to pray during menstruation as well as otherwise, shows that the situation is much more complex than simply no prayer allowed during menstruation, especially when many scholars say it is okay to pray for women whose periods extend 10 days. So if blood is “impure” why are they still being allowed to pray? it seems like something that we as an ummah should be able to discuss without any death fatwas against any party involved.
August 6, 2011 at 3:31 pm
I actually contacted a religious academy posing this question and they mailed back stating that it is part of the sunnah that the Prophet pbuh practiced and explicitly taught to his companions and Muslims of his times. This concept is part of the religious practices adopted from those of Prophet Abraham, as our own Prophet pbuh then rectified, revived and taught them explicitly as part of our religion, and these are agreed upon by all scholars and practiced by all Muslims regardless of sect as it is one of those practices such as circumcision that has been taught to Muslims generation after generation and is not attached to a particular culture and time. They sent me a really informative document but unfortunately I cannot upload or attach anything to this post or I would have done so.
August 7, 2011 at 7:37 am
From what I recall of the blog post, the central issue was the stigmatization of women as being less pure than men due to the agreed opinion of traditional scolars that salat cannot be performed during a particular portion of mense.
This is extremely important as men, (and some women) have been deluded into believing in the spirtual superiority of masculinity over femininity, resulting in the obression of women.
Perhaps you could ask if the religious injunction means men are better than women. The clarification would be interesting.
August 9, 2011 at 9:06 pm
Honestly? Even if I could pray during menstruation, I wouldn’t. It’s a painful time for me at least, and I wouldn’t want people making me feel guilty for not doing so. If I want to be close to Allah (swt) I make du’a and dhikr, these things do not feel less spiritual than salah in the least; in fact a quiet prayer in English often feels more spiritual than salah at times.
I definitely think it needs to be revisited though, considering changes in technology. It would be nice to have the conversation. Unfortunately the Islamic world seems to be in a philosophical and theological stalemate, especially considering our exceptional past.
August 10, 2011 at 9:02 am
As a Christian, a student of comparative religious studies and a feminist I read your article and posts with the highest interest. I think we have many examples in all religions and certainly in the big three monotheistic ones of how men use a spiritual sphere to gain/keep power over women. It is very clever, because God’s word has so much power and is actually undisputable. The example that of course comes to my mind immediately is the witch hunt of the catholic church. Blood in general and menstruation blood in specific was in pre-christian/islamic times believed to have magical powers. Remains of this pagan believes lingered (linger?) on. In the middle ages we find evidence in “De occulta philosphia” by Cornelius Agrippas and in a “lettre des rémission” of the 14th century that women were suspected to use their menstruation blood as a narcotic or love potion. I have no knowledge, but I could imagine that also the pagan Arabs might have certain believes/cults about menstruation blood. Sure blood payed a big role for sacrifices. Does anyone of you know anything about that?
I think the bottom line of what I’m trying to say is this: None of the believers of any religion came to their religion without some kind of pre-religious heritage. Women of the earlier days might have been too fast to agree upon a rather sexist interpretation of the religious sources. But all of us are able now to leave those ancient biases behind and look at our sources as enlightened women who understand them the way we understand them. I was personally completely overwhelmed by feminist tafsir and some verses make so much more sense to me after knowing a learned woman’s interpretation. It is about time we claim the sovereignty of interpretation to be 50:50 and what I read here is really such a good start! Thank all of you so much for it!
And on a very personal note: I participate in all service when I am menstruating. I simply understand the holy books in the way that God welcomes everyone who makes a step towards him and any kind of religious service is, in my humble understanding, a deep bow achknowlegding the superiority of God. Judging from the sunna maybe the deeper bow would be to abstain from salat, but to me some hadith seem to be like the “dark verses”, we don’t really know and can’t really tell what they mean, especially after such a long time. Another good example, I think, is the hadith about women and hell. I have asked every single islamic religion lecturer/professor I can about it, discussed it at length with muslim fellow students and nothing has convinced me, that anyone found an interpretation that can stand regarding gender-equality. But I am not a hadith scholar and I don’t want to upset anyone plus this is a whole different subject! 😀
Keep the good thinking up ladies, I wish all of you all the best!
August 12, 2011 at 12:23 pm
Hi Leni and welcome! Thanks so much for sharing your perspective and experiences.
I tried very hard to find a reference to a story I once heard about menstrual blood and the Pagan Arabs. I can’t remember if I read it in a comment, article, blog post, email — so since I can’t substantiate this, please take it with a grain of salt! But I once heard that in the centuries before the advent of Islam, there were blood rituals around the Ka’aba in Mecca. Some would douse idols in sacrificial animal blood – and some menstruating women would smear the Ka’aba with their own blood because it was seen as a symbol of growth, fertility, etc. To then have Islam come along and vehemently reject so many practices from the pagan era, an argument could be made that the anti-menstruation and ritual prayer in Islam has roots in this rejection. Oh if only I had a source!
I like how you refer to the deeper, mystical verses as “dark.”
And yes, I have also not been satisfied with that hadith about women and hell. Something for further investigation and discussion I think!
August 15, 2011 at 10:07 pm
It is very interesting topic indeed . I am a Hindu And I have couple good Muslim friends . We discuss many topics . Idol worship is also prohibited in vedaas as well .how it I’d sneak into Hinduism .I am trying to find answers .but one question keeps revolving in my brain that why every religion I see man and woman they pray together in temples,churches,Gurudwara .no restrictions on women if she has to stay away from temple during her period .women are doing kirtan in temples .I just can’t get it what was the reason that women is left behind in Islam .when according to many historical proofs women in Islam has contributed alot .
I like your article and I wish women in islam will join together and bring a new change .but hats off to you it sort of removed some questions from my mind .please no offense to anyone .
August 26, 2011 at 9:38 pm
hey.. i just wanted to answer your question about why women are separated by the men while praying in Islam. Like you, I used to wonder the same thing. but after understanding the reasons, i came in terms to accept it..
one being, by separating the 2 genders we are showing modesty and unity. it is totally possible to get attracted as GOD has created attraction Between Men and Women). In the time of the Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) women would pray in rows behind the rows of men.
If they prayed in front of the men or mingled with the men then when we prostrate men would get a direct view of womens bottoms, this is not a way to be modest and would make it difficult for everyone to concentrate on their prayers.
These days we either pray behind the men, in rows adjacent to men, with a curtain dividing men and women or in a separate prayer room for women.
and its true, and there is nothing wrong with praying behind men, or across to them, … we are bowing down to God, and we need our full concentration in our prayer, not random thoughts of who are peers are… etc
it has nothing to do with equality or suppressing women, Islam has always taught no man is superior than an women. … God has made them equal. 🙂
December 9, 2011 at 1:13 am
If women are not allowed to pray standing before the menfolk on the basis that ‘looking at a woman’s bottom would distract a man from praying’, would the same not apply to a woman looking at a man’s bottom during prayer??
August 17, 2011 at 10:11 am
[…] periods or vice verse (see woodturtle’s brilliant post on the matter of praying and your period https://woodturtle.wordpress.com/2011/01/15/only-women-bleed-menstruation-in-islam/). The point is that with this particular “ruling” of scholars the cultural context is VERY […]
September 19, 2011 at 3:48 am
As salaam e laikum. Your post is nice and may Allah reward you. I would like to tell my side of the story.
The verse 2:222 and the following hadeeth does not contradict with one another;-
Prayer is a duty performed for Allah therefore it was said:-
[The Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said to Fatimah bint Abu Habish, “Do not pray during your period. After it has ended, perform ghusl and pray.” (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.)]
However,
Bringing mat from the mosque is a duty of a wife to her husband therefore it was said:-
[‘A’isha reported: The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said to me: Get me the prayer mat from the mosque. I said: I am menstruating. Upon this he remarked: Your menstruation is not in your hand. (Related by Muslim)]
2:222 is a verse telling us about many things in my opinion. There are duties in it for both men and women. To explain let me break this verse into phases defined by time and duration.
1st phase = Menstruation
duty for = Men alone
duty is = stay away
2nd phase = After Menses
duty for = Men and Women
duty is = for men to wait / for women to purify themselves.
Note* only menses are not in women hands but the purification is as mentioned in the above hadeeth.
3rd phase = After purification
duty for = Men alone
duty is = come to your women from where Allah has ordained for you.
4th phase = After intercourse
duty for = Men and Women
duty = perform repentance and purification. Allah loves those who do these activities.
Note* purification and repentance both can be availed via prayers. Also the purification mentioned is the purification of the mind not the body. The arabic word used in the verse 2:222 is (yat ‘hurn) which is used for purity not for cleansing. (purity of the mind) that was not achieved due to leave on prayers mentioned in the above hadeeth.
So it may take about 4 to 6 days to perform makeup prayers and to attain this lost purification of mind as mentioned in 2:222 and the above hadeeth.
So when really is the “ovulation”? Isn’t it at the time when purification is achieved (after performing makeup prayers)?.
The verse 2:222 also suggest that husbands and wives should mate with one another only once in every menstruation cycle because after the 3rd phase is over the order is to keep maintaining repentance and purity for not only women but for also men.
Side Notes
* The best place of worship for any women are their homes.
* One’s half a faith is completed after marriage.
* None touches it (the noble qur’an) except the purified.
Touches = to understand
Purified = purification of the mind from the sins not the cleansing of the body.
Allaah knows best.
September 19, 2011 at 3:22 pm
however the makeup prayers for menses should not to be performed according to hadith and scholors. . and i do agree…
September 20, 2011 at 4:51 am
No doubt it seems like the Qur’an have some strict orders about not going to our wives. I think besides Allah only the Prophet Muhammed (peace be upon him) can make the religion easier by not contradicting with Allah’s order . Just like when the number of obligatory prayers were shorten to 5 prayers a day.
Therefore we can say that the verse 2:222 treats males and females equally and it was made easy by Allah and the Prophet (peace be upon him) for both husbands and wives.
Easiness for Husbands:- they can still go to their wives but not have intercourse only… Whereas the Qur’an states not to go to wives which may give an impression that to leave them alone in separate rooms. We must realize that the easiness for husbands doesn’t contradicts with the Qur’an still.
Easiness for Wives:- that they could leave the prayers all together and no makeup prayers for them were ordered. Again it doesn’t contradicts with the Qur’an and they can still be purified by offering regular prayers.
We must also understand relationship between body and mind. How cleansing the body purifies the mind. But purifying the mind doesn’t cleanses the body….
IMPORTANT AHADEETHS
‘Menstrual Periods’ of Sahih Bukhari.
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Narrated Mu’adha: A woman asked ‘Aisha, “Should I offer the prayers that which I did not offer because of menses” ‘Aisha said, “Are you from the Huraura’ (a town in Iraq?) We were with the Prophet and used to get our periods but he never ordered us to offer them (the Prayers missed during menses).” ‘Aisha perhaps said, “We did not offer them.”
(Kitab Al-Haid)’ of Sahih Muslim.
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Thabit narrated it from Anas: Among the Jews, when a woman menstruated, they did not dine with her, nor did they live with them in their houses; so the Companions of the Apostle (may peace be upon him) asked The Apostle (may peace be upon him), and Allah, the Exalted revealed:” And they ask you about menstruation; say it is a pollution, so keep away from woman during menstruation” to the end (Qur’an, ii. 222). The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Do everything except intercourse. The Jews heard of that and said: This man does not want to leave anything we do without opposing us in it. Usaid b. Hudair and Abbad b. Bishr came and said: Messenger of Allah, the Jews say such and such thing. We should not have, therefore, any contactwith them (as the Jews do). The face of the Messenger of Allah (way peace be upon him) underwent such a change that we thought he was angry with them, but when they went out, they happened to receive a gift of milk which was sent to the Apostle of Allah (may peace be upon him). He (the Holy Prophet) called for them and gave them drink, whereby they knew that he was not angry with them.
(Kitab Al-Haid)’ of Sahih Muslim.
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‘Abdullah b. Abu’l-Qais reported: I asked ‘A’isha about the Witr (prayer) of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) and made mention of a hadith, then I said: What did he do after having sexual intercourse? Did he take a bath before going to sleep or did he sleep before taking a bath? She said: He did all these. Some- times he took a bath and then slept, and sometimes he performed ablution only and went to sleep. I (the narrator) said: Praise be to Allah Who has made things easy (for human beings).
HADEETHS SOURCE : – http://www.searchtruth.com/book_display.php
And Allaah knows Best.
September 20, 2011 at 5:10 am
To my understanding the word ” come/go/approach unto them” was used because it is meant a duty for Husbands. And to have an “intercourse” would have been a duty for both Husbands and Wives in my opinion. There are reasons of birth control also. I think to approach them means one don’t have to do complete intercourse.
October 2, 2011 at 2:00 am
Excellent article!! May I ask your expertise and reason you don’t share your name?
You say: “Even if you cite the above verse as requiring women to “cleans” themselves because they are impure — it’s within the context of sexual intercourse, not prayer.” Can you expand on this and provide any names of scholars or sources that agree with this as being limited to purity for sex only?
One explanation I’ve come across: “Allah has Himself commanded the believers not to approach the menstruating women ‘until they are clean’! That clearly means that they are impure at the time of menstruation, and since to be bodily pure (tahara) is a condition of salaat, the salaat of the women in menstruation is not valid!”
Thank you again for this piece!
October 10, 2011 at 12:37 pm
Fantastic post.
October 11, 2011 at 1:35 pm
Thanks — means tonnes coming from you!
October 20, 2011 at 4:12 am
Salaam! Very thought provoking post! This might be a little TMI but anyways. I don’t know about the other ladies but when I orgasm during my period, the pleasure is completely dwarfed by a crazy wringing pain in my lower abdomen. It’s a pain worse than cramps and I just double over. It’s not a medical issue and doc says it’s natural for some women to experience pain during orgasm when they’re menstruating. It’s a bit of a biological contradiction for me though since my libido is more active than usual during my period. But experiencing more pain than pleasure in my orgasm during my period got me thinking that maybe that’s why we’re told not to have sex during our periods. That it might not end on such a passionate note for some of us. Islam does take the lowest common denominator and set a rule by that, like drinking. Majority of people can handle their liquor but there’s just a small percentage for who alcohol is very harmful, physically and emotionally. But my opinion is based on personal experience and may not hold true for the majority.
I think the reasons for why women can’t pray during menstruation are completely man-made. No reason seems to be given in the Quran and neither is it given by the Prophet PBUH (but that could simply be my lack of full Islamic knowledge). I’m sure the real reason is probably a simple scientific one that we just haven’t discovered yet because no one’s bothered to research it because menstruation isn’t really a hugely physically debilitating issue. But hopefully, now that questions are being raised, more Muslim female scientists (even male ones) will research further into this and hopefully, we can give our daughters better answers than “your blood is impure” and “God’s giving you a break” because women need to stop being told that we’re weak. It’s extremely harmful to the psyche.
October 20, 2011 at 4:22 am
I just want to say I really enjoyed your comment. And agree.
October 20, 2011 at 9:39 pm
Agreed! Excellent comment! 🙂 And unless accompanied with a “trigger warning” I don’t think there could ever be enough TMI. Women need to speak more openly about the issues pertaining to them, personal experiences and how religious interpretation affects not only these issues, but how women relate to their own bodies.
Thanks for commenting!
October 26, 2011 at 6:28 am
Walaekum-as-salaam. H r u?. The reason you may question the science is perhaps it doesn’t incorporates with it but psychological factors are very much involved too. Men and Women are equal in the same respect? So do they think that having an abortion by a woman and wasting semen by a man during masturbation is the same thing in the end? because maybe it is… and maybe that is why the fact which is extremely harmful to the psyche is thinking someone like ourselves would be wasted in the public toilet due to male fantasy. Because that thing with a tail and a head that u can spot under a microscope…. it’s us. So if a female is disturbed with her menses it is maybe because she is primarily focused on the above issue … it’s human nature to question our own existence, menstruation does that too… i think.
October 27, 2011 at 6:51 am
can we touch jani mass in periods or other hole things,quran
November 8, 2011 at 8:57 pm
maybe stop all this BS theorising and actually go do some good. bullshit blogs is what you getting when the devil is menstruating..
November 11, 2011 at 12:36 pm
I’ve been thinking a lot about this post since I first read it. As an archaeologist, there have been times when being a woman, and especially being a menstruating woman has conflicted with the cultural and religious beliefs of the indigenous culture. It is difficult to reconcile feelings of independence and women’s rights with respect and cultural reflexivity. Enjoyed the thoughts and the research on this topic of menstruation in Islam belief. Really well written post and very thoughtful. Thanks wood turtle.
November 11, 2011 at 5:33 pm
Thanks so much for your comment Whitney!
As someone who wanted to be an archeologist at the age of 3, I really appreciate your perspective. It’s fascinating and something I’d love to hear more over a cup of tea.
November 27, 2011 at 4:23 am
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December 5, 2011 at 9:35 pm
If God commands me not to make salaat while I am menstruating, then I am rewarded for following that commandment inshAllah. Following God’s commandments is worship.
I would never trade in my prayer break for the cycle-less life of a man. I am happy to be a woman, and I don’t understand why so many women want to be men. And why are we always comparing our worth before God based on men’s standards? I think that is misogynist.
December 28, 2011 at 2:13 am
where does God command it? MEN command it. Who wants to be a man? The bit that confuses e most in your thinkingis that you wait for your period to recite the qur’an? Is it not soething you shoud do every day? This IS a comand from God but you choose to follow man….. you really should read the qur’an God has a lot to say on THAT matter 😉
December 9, 2011 at 1:08 am
Thank you for addressing this issue, woodturtle.
I have always struggled with the idea that during her menstruation a woman is not considered pure enough to come before God in prayer and worship …
Whenever I have discussed this with my muslimah friends, they have commented that it is ‘God’s way of caring for women’ – by giving them a break during this time.
I could accept that if women didn’t HAVE to make salaah during this time, but could sill CHOOSE to if they wanted.
To simply be told that you are not ALLOWED to pray to your God is something I simply could not accept.
(But then I’m a bit of a rebel like that! LOL)
December 12, 2011 at 10:25 am
Rebel? Sounds like common sense 😉
What I love about Islam is that both men and women are called to prayer. It is an obligation to be fulfilled by everyone.
Certainly there are times when men CANNOT pray (temporary situations of impurity or individual allowances because of illness) — but women are the only ones who are told (by men) that they CANNOT pray on the basis of their natural, inescapable bodily processes. I can’t make the leap, which so many do, that God would call women to prayer but create them to be impure for prayer at certain times.
It somehow doesn’t feel genuine. Now, if it were clearly laid out the Qur’an with God’s own words, I might think differently. But it’s not.
December 13, 2011 at 9:31 am
I am a Muslim woman and I am so ashamed of the religion of Islam.
I want to convert just like milions of Muslim women but we are afraid.
Islam is the relion of fear.
If there was no fear, so many of us would leave this so called Mohammed the pervert religion.
Have you read what this bastard has done sexually to children.
Are you really serious about followint this insanity.
Wake up Muslim women and smell the roses.
You are in a puddle of shit
December 18, 2011 at 2:00 am
You people are so brainwashed & delussioned. Wow. Interpretations don’t stop do they?
December 18, 2011 at 2:52 pm
This is what we get for eating a fruit which was forbidden to be eaten.. when our parents were in paradise.. why complain now
December 18, 2011 at 3:38 pm
That is not a muslim interpretation. That is biblical
December 18, 2011 at 3:46 pm
If Allah wanted us to have a break he would make it explicit in the quran. The reason it is not there is because the superstitious nonsense that was twisted into the bible was removed. The quran is pure unlike hadith.
I actually don’t know why so many clearly intelligent women are buying into this innovation!
The ONLY purpose that considering us impure serves, is to prevent us from reaching positions of power.
There was a guru who, when leading prayers, would ask for the ashram cat to be tied as it annoyed the congregation.
this happened every evening until the Guru died. Eventually the cat also died. They bought a new cat to tie so they could pray. 100sof years later books appeared by scholars discussing the liturgical significance of tying a cat while praying……
December 19, 2011 at 6:25 am
Don’t give yourself to men (human) way of life… obviously everything other than Allah is comparable and hence so is the Qur’an and the Hadith… we compare to learn not to compete… if you already have beliefs stick to them and don’t get it mixed up with affairs of the world…
December 19, 2011 at 7:06 am
by the way there is a difference between Prophets and a Man…
December 19, 2011 at 11:27 am
I really love this analogy — thanks for sharing it.
Something I heard during a discussion after Jummah last week: the scholars only forbid that which the people have already put into practice.
December 19, 2011 at 1:40 pm
Dear Khadija,
I like your cat-story and agree with you. That goes for all women, we can’t believe the male-dominated interpretations as willingly as we have in the past. But I have to say as a Christian, I don’t know why you have to say that there is superstition in the bible. I find that offensive, like the quran gives you guidance and hope and the feeling of being found before you even knew you where lost – well, the bible does that to me. And it hurts me when somebody says the words I read there are mere superstition, at least in part. I think us women should stick together and help each other best we can. No matter if the sister in question is Jewish, Muslim, Christian or something else altogether. I believe if we do that best we can, we can change a lot more for the better for all of us and see our children grow up in a less bigott world. That would be nice, I think. And also the bible, as far as I recall, does not forbid women to pray when they are menstruating.
Just my two cents.
I wish all of you the best, Leni
December 19, 2011 at 2:59 pm
Leni,
I apologise sincerely for being careless with my words. What I mean is that MOST Christians understand that the bible is not directly handed intact and unaltered from God. Muslims believe that the authority of different scholars to edit and translate has lost much of the message. The Qur’an, we believe, is the unaltered bible as God intended. So even though leviticus has some pretty unsavoury things to say about women and menstruation, it can be understood in the light of Jesus (pbuh) in his explanation and example of how the bible should be interpreted.
This is what I mean by ‘superstition’. The hand of man has ‘interpreted’ the word of God in such a way as to denigrate women.
I will upset Muslims now lol when I say thhat I believe the exact same thing has been done with the innovation of hadith scholarship. Nowhere in the qur’an does it state or imply that women are ‘unclean’ at any time except for sex ….. Yet this is one of the strongest teachings in Islam….
I reject the authenticity of all hadith and only entertain the as a guide to the duplicity of man and as a guide to cultural practices of the time.
I was told today (with supporting hadith) that the prophet (saws) said ‘menstruation is fro the devil’…. really? I doubt it even if the chain is made of kryptonite….
I apologise again. I am clumsy, especially when emailing fro my phone
December 19, 2011 at 3:59 pm
I consider Qur’an to have a vaccine like effect and Hadith to have a Medicine effect… it shouldn’t matter who made the medicine or when, either male or female just as long as it serve as medicine.. and yes medicines do have side effects sometimes… ;(
December 20, 2011 at 1:21 am
on the contrary. Hadith is an innovation that Allah warns us of. There is nothing in the Qur’an that implies woen shouldn’t touch the qura’an, pray or recite etc. It all comes from ahadith nonsense made up several hundred years later to justify barbaric practices and beliefs. I found a hadith that says the prophet (saws) said that ‘menstruation is from satan’ What utter utter rubbish!!!!!
016:104-5
“Indeed, (As for) those who do not believe in God’s verses (Arabic: biayati), surely God will not guide them, and they shall have a painful punishment. Only they invent falsehood who do not believe in the verses of God (Arabic: biayatAllahi), and these are the liars”
045:006
“These are verses of God (Arabic: ayat-ullah) that We recite to you with truth. Then, in what HADITH (Arabic word: Hadithin) after God and His verses (Arabic: Ayati) do they believe?”
068:036-38
“What is wrong with you, how do you judge? Or do you have another book which you study? In it, you can find what you wish?”
007.052
“For We had certainly sent to them a Book based on knowledge, which We explained in detail (Arabic: fasalnahu), a guide and a mercy to all who believe” (This one is given on the day of judgment and makes no mentions of the stories that come after…..)
December 20, 2011 at 9:54 am
If you quote something from Albert Einstein people may give more thought to it rather listening a quote from some less satisfactory figure in the same category.. Qur’an overall has a standard/category to a Holy Book (Allah given). You don’t wanna judge a college student to a grade 2 student now would you?. No body should do this.
Furthermore, sure you can imagine pros and cons of anything i guess 😉
Also Sahih Muslim and Sahih Bukhari are the only books i believe are authentic enough. But on the rest of the Hadiths I may kinda share this view of yours.. Was the Menses and Satan from Muslim /Bukhari… ? because that be interesting…
December 20, 2011 at 12:31 pm
It would be interesting to hear the source of that hadith! I’ve never heard it before 🙂
Also interesting is that Imam Malik (who lived and died before Imam Bukhari’s birth by only 20 years or so) would reject hadith narrators based on their day-to-day conduct.
He would reject a narrator not because they told a false hadith — but because he saw them lying in their daily relationships.
I wonder if Bukhari (or Muslim or whomever) used the same criteria when collating their collections.
In both Bukhari and Muslim you can find the Abu Hurayrah hadith saying that if a woman refuses the sexual advances of her husband, the angels will curse her until morning. What the collection neglects to mention is that Abu Hurayrah was once threatened with exile by Caliph Omar for narrating false sayings of the Prophet — and both ‘Aisha and Imam ‘Ali have recorded sayings that he is not to be trusted.
I really think that the collections of ahadeeth are just that: historical records and not a golden rod for people to use willy-nilly as informing faith or practice in their daily lives.
December 20, 2011 at 1:06 pm
Yes, quite. As a record and reflection of the cultural practices and norms they are useful. As a guide to explaining the qur’an? no.
Oh I have found some crackers among the ‘strong’ ahadith. I find it so frustrating that, as a revert, I found this most amazing book that sets out female equality and and man’s responsibility so clearly, forbids the innovation of ahadith and yet it has been used to hit us over the head with. The qur’an is almost superfluous in Muslim culture!!
I teach kids who can recite whole surahs but have no idea what they mean….
December 20, 2011 at 1:05 am
we shouldn’t use opposite sex just for bringing about a negative approach in everything, even in our religion?.. everybody has their complete right on their religion… hold it and trust it.. the Qur’an (vaccine) must work on every person even on you…
December 20, 2011 at 1:09 pm
btw that hadith about menstruation is al Bukhari narrated Timirdhi in the book of menstruation (or as I prefer to call it ‘the book of innovation and revived Judaism’)
December 20, 2011 at 2:38 pm
We can’t blame the entirety of the situation here…. The Qur’an forbids us to eat flesh of swine. So, does the word of swine in the noble book makes it an impure book to read? this is just an example.
If we are to consider 500 hadiths in the al Bukhari and only one of them is correct… Your statement becomes a lie. So we must choose our words carefully. Just saying….
December 20, 2011 at 1:20 pm
Dear Khadija and dear everyone,
Now I apoligize for assuming the worst instead of the best. By fingers were faster than my brain and yes, so many weird interpretations of the bible are around that it’s hard to see straight. Most of them made by men. And I don’t even say that they don’t mean the best, but naturally men don’t know what is best for women and I totally agree that we have to come up with female interpretations of our holy books. And there are plenty great female theologists on both sides.
Islamic Religion is my minor in university and believe me, I know all the objections about the bible and I can of course understand them. I just find it a bit sad when the fact that the documentation of the bible wasn’t as great as with the quran, leads to many muslims don’t even reading the bible. I am reading the quran (doing my best to do it in arabic one day) and the beauty part is that the more i read, the more i discuss with my lecturers and my friends about the meaning, the more i see that the core of the monotheistic religions really is the same.
As to the hadith question: Khadija, you are not the first and not the only one to reject the authority of hadith. Famous example would be Fazlur Rahman. There are indeed very good arguments for and against it and I personally as an outsider have the impression that some hadith are just so common knowledge among muslims that they are hardly ever second guessed, even if the isnas is doubtful. But that is just a very personal non-representative impression of mine!
All the best to all of you from snowy, snowy Germany 🙂
January 8, 2012 at 1:30 pm
wow! What a great course …… I don’t reject hadith in total, I reject the athenticity. Some are beautiful and can help understanding of tricky concepts for children but they should not be attributed to the prophet (saws)
The ones on menstruation have NO basis in the qur’an whatsoever. The rules of purity and ablution are clear and nowhere does it say women are unclean. This is an assumption, bias or at worst a lie woven into interpretations by male scholars.
My simple equation (as a Muslim) is Qur’an + intelligence = Islam whereas Qur’an + hadith = Judaeo/Christian culture….
alhamdulillah the qur’an is there for us to see with our own eyes that GOD doesn’t think we are ‘unclean’, men do
January 15, 2012 at 4:04 pm
What I think ….[Menses is an excretion, personal and natural phenomenon in females. By excretion meaning the blood is expelled out of the body, by personal it means no person outside can cause this to happen, And natural is something that happens unintentionally. Any system of body that works on these 3 principals is impure. You can try and compare these 3 principals to any other bodily functions and you’ll come to same result that these are not pure.]
January 15, 2012 at 4:23 pm
so why would allah not make hat explicit as the other ‘excretions’ are? It is left out of the Qur’an because it is superstitious nonsense woven into Islam through fabricated ahadith.
It is deliberately left out of the qur’an as it says in 5:15 and several other places that the qur’an is fully detailed and much has been ‘passed over’ …. The nonsense that was written into the previous scriptures has been removed and the book is ‘fully detailed’ and ‘perspicuous’
The ONLY reason women are now not ‘allowed’ to pray during menses is because by removing women from prayer for a week a month it prohibits us from powerful positions.
Some poor fools believe hey can’t even touch the qu’ran!!!!!
I pray during menses and read the qur’an. No dreadful thing has happened to me and much guidance has been sought and found during that time.
It is ridiculous to say women are ‘unclean’ due to a God given function!
gushl after intercourse is necessary to remove you from connection to base desire and physical grounding. Menstruation does not prevent a woman from contact with allah.
She is not distracted (unless in pain) and so the prohibition makes no sense. If she can pray on hajj (next to men!!!!!) she can pray at home or in a masjid while menstruating
How different Islam wold look if it had been women who compiled the hadith…..
January 15, 2012 at 5:01 pm
You must realize menses is part of the reproductive system. That is why qur’an speaks about it in sexual context. In men the excretion part of the urine is same with the reproductive part. So does this makes us even more impurer than women? You must understand only when something is being excreted is impure.
in the above 3 principles no person outside can also be referred to as no outside sources.
December 24, 2011 at 12:29 am
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December 26, 2011 at 12:00 pm
Salaam.
This is a nice piece of work, I enjoyed reading it. But dont you think that if the Prophet (pbuh) told Aisha(ra) not to pray during her menstruation then there’s some wisdom behind it? Shouldn’t the doubt be cleared then and there? You’ve probably read about this hadith where the Prophet (pbuh) says that when in doubt about something, to choose the safer choice. Hmm I may have quoted that slightly wrong but the meaning is clear right?:)
January 8, 2012 at 1:34 pm
yes I’ve read ‘authentic’ hadith where the prophet ordered a stoning (defying allah) and married a child (defying allah) I don’t believe silly stories or fabricated hadith. I believe allah (swt)
Don’t you think Muslims should read the qur’an rather than stories that reflect pre islamic culture and recorded by men 200 years after the prophet died (forbidding his words to be recorded)
Shouldn’t the doubt be cleared then and there? by ALLAH?
December 28, 2011 at 2:07 pm
A woman’s relationship to her body is regulated by menstrual law in the seclusion rites. Her relationship to sex, food, behavior, sleeping, clothing and make-up are all determined by the sacred blood right of woman’s menstruation. At the end of seclusion, which ends at the first light, the taboo woman is frequently carried by a group of Mothers to the nearest body of water. There in the river, lake or stream, she is washed and cleansed. Her hair is braided and adorned with beads, cowries, gems, feathers, clay and hennas. Her body is then either painted, dyed, clayed, tattooed, powdered, oiled and smudges with herbs and incense. Once this is done, she is covered with the finest fabrics the clan could produce. Her feet are anointed and decorated with coins, hennas and other pigments, metal jewelry and wrapped in beautiful slippers. Then emerging more dazzling and bright than the brightest star, the woman is welcomed with a week long, sometimes months of feasting, celebrating, singing and dancing. At some time afterward, being communally claimed as a full adult, the woman entered marriage and then came a part of the next blood rite which is motherhood.
Part of the regulations of the menstruation ceremony involves ritual behavior. The young woman carried a scratch stick for she is not allowed to touch or scratch her body or to comb her hair. Throughout the ceremony, she remained in stark silence. No one is allowed to talk to her or her to anyone else. Since her very look is thought to be powerful and dangerous to men, she gazed downward and away. Her feet must not touch the earth at any time during this ritual nor should she touch water or any utensil. Her gaze must not meet the sight of light neither sun nor moon. Once the ceremony neared its end, the young woman emerged from the Eastern side of the hut. Prior, she had descended into the menstrual hut from the Western direction. Sometimes afterward, the hut and everything associated with the sacred rite is burned or buried. Some native women, however maintained a menstrual hut that was used for generations. This hut and the space it occupied came to represent incredible primordial and ancestral energy. No man ventured near it or the space it occupied. All rites of passage for young women is not the same in every community but it is for certain that this is a very important part if every woman’s life, enhancing collective female bonding and maternal traditions.
The sacred menstrual rite is performed, in some manner or the other by all Hamitic women, since the very biological appearance of female bleeding. Female bleeding even before menstruation is characterized by an underlining process. Some of the different types of biological female bleeding includes childbirth and menopause. Women consistently interact with the blood of their own bodies and the bodies of others…i.e., young women, in the cleaning and cooking of animal foods, during midwifery, illness and injury and sometimes in funerary and mourning practices. Motherhood, as such bleeding, is spiritual ritual, signified by certain typical sensual, psychic, emotional and biological indications. Menstruation is from time immemorial characterized by such markers. MA
January 5, 2012 at 8:25 pm
i have a question and i need an answer as soon as possible please when u have your period for a few days and you think it stopped but the it comes again just a little do you have to take a bath.
January 8, 2012 at 1:36 pm
I would suggest, as a matter of hygeine, you do that every day anyway…..
February 2, 2012 at 11:41 am
i read this AWESOME blog post by you and you’ve written exactly what i stand for…..I’m a follower of Hinduism… and menstruation is considered unclean by the priests in our temples and menstruating women are asked to not pray and so on and so forth.
YOUR VIEWS AND THE WAY YOU’VE EXPLAINED THIS SENSITIVE ISSUE….is ABSOLUTELY MARVELOUS. I’ve been writing and talking about similar explanations as to why menstruation is simply a natural process ordained by god, every time i get a chance….to family and friends.
it’s been difficult to convince some people i know and some have gone to the extent of calling me mad! They say i’m someone who’s rebellious and that my views are blasphemous.
Believe me….your blog post has given me so much hope and spiritual support…..and i totally love you for that!
We might be following different religions, but its the views about the right things that binds us….!!
I look forward to more posts from you!
February 20, 2012 at 7:22 am
Salam alaikum,
We all enter and are removed from states of ritual impurity.
February 20, 2012 at 7:30 am
salamun alaykum.
But menstruation does not put us in a state of RITUAL impurity. Check the verse you think makes this claim and read it carefully……………
May Allah guide you
March 8, 2012 at 12:22 pm
Salam!in regards ? a mensurating woman not touchin the quran,am not clear because some of the scholars said if the quran is not upto sixty izu ??? can touch,some said u????? can touch that of sixty izu(complete qur’an)while others said its prohibited ? touch the qur’an while mensurating.S????????? I’ll like ? know ??? final answer if at all a mensurating woman is allowed ? touch the holy qur’an.Thanks.Jazakallahu khayran!
March 8, 2012 at 1:11 pm
what level of stupidity must one have to believe you can’t touch a book during menstruation? I can’t believe anyone can be so stupid as to think you can’t pray let alone read!!!
Why are you allowing en to control your beliefs and steal the Qur’an away fro you?
NOWHERE in the Qur’an does it say you can’t pray, read or touch it!!!!!!
Why not read it with intelligence and see the overall message about women then look at ‘Ysla’ and ask yourself are they in any way related?
March 15, 2012 at 10:56 pm
I appreciate yr spirit of concern regarding the topic. . what u say about the 3 principles rule of body function..?
Tears?
Sweat?
Blood from the wound?
Vomit?
Spit?
Lactation?
Nasal discharge?
Don’t the above fail the 3 rule principle? What about peeing, shitting and menses? Oh yes they fit in the rule …
March 15, 2012 at 11:08 pm
3 rules :-
1. an excretion.
2. is personal.
3. is natural
Now I wonder if semen discharge fits also. Because it should.. but then I think about wet dreams. So yes they automatically fit in the above rules.. because a sleeping man is a dead man..
March 17, 2012 at 10:00 am
I’m 14 a shia & ijust wanted to kno some thing… Ihope one of my muslim sisters will answer for me because I do not kno much.
Iv just started my period yesterday & ihave a really bad stomache ache & iwant to have a bath, isit okay for me to have a bath while on my period? Please somone reply
Inshalah somone will x
March 22, 2012 at 12:59 pm
I’m Hindu and I’ve always hated the fact that menstruation forbids us from doing anything religious. I mean…God created all of us. You would think that he would be totally ok with some of the bodily functions of his creation.
April 28, 2012 at 11:12 pm
As a non-Muslim concerned with attempts to denigrate and degrade the status of women, this article clears up a great deal of my confusion.
Now I’m wondering why so many men are so quick to accept a faulty interpretation that has nothing to do with women’s impurity but that of rules involving intercourse. What so scares Muslim men to want to keep women in second place?
April 30, 2012 at 9:35 pm
Firstly, this blog has answered and raised great questions that helped answer many queries that a lot of women had including myself :), so thanks for that Woodturtle!
After reading the hadeeth above,
“The Mother of the Believers Aisha (Allah be pleased with her) said, “The Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) would recline on my lap while I was menstruating and he would read the Quran.” [Bukhari]”
I understood from this hadith that touching the Quran in a state of menstruation is not permissable, I think it gives enough evidence that you can listen to the recitation of the Quran yet not touch it. I mean c’mon since it is the DIVINE revelation of Allah swt, I wouldnt even touch it without wudhu!
This hadith also raised a question in my heart though. Men and certain women state that women in the menstruating state cannot enter the mosque and its premises because of their “impure state”. However, if they are so impure then how come the Prophet(pbuh) recline on his wife Aisha’s(ra) lap!
I understand that back in the day, there were limited ways for a women to stay clean, so entering the mosque would not be in question I guess. But as many women stated above, in today’s society, it is almost impossible to leak really or cause dirt in the mosque. I think people with bad odour and bad hygiene should not be allowed to enter the mosque as well. They are causing impurity as well.
May 1, 2012 at 1:38 am
The diversity of comments is wonderful.
What bothers me is that some male wrote, decreed, instructed that females are impure during an entirely natural human event. Sadly, this smacks of saying women are not always worthy whereas I see nothing ever putting a male in any similar status.
The world changes as we become knowledgeable. Otherwise we’d still be burning women at the stake for witchcraft. Oh, maybe we haven’t come that far after all!
April 30, 2012 at 9:37 pm
I read most of the posts above and they were so amusing, interesting and informative!
June 21, 2012 at 1:18 am
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August 16, 2012 at 5:58 am
I absolutely love you blog, but would disagree with some points. i believe there is problem of confusing ‘ritual impurity’ with something disgusting. in many ahadith it stated that women has this PRIVILEGE. i do understand that ahadith r minefield, and when u r dealing with them u need to be very conscious, vet them (isnad is not enough to judge their authenticity), but let’s not throw baby with the water out of the bath-they still can give useful insight in to matters. i remember hadith where it says that Allah likes when his worshipers use their privileges granted by God. for example, it insisted that traveler should break his/her fast even if he/she feels they can carry on during the journey. Misogynists like to turn any difference between men and women into proof that women r inferior, that’s the core problem. u have to agree, that menstrual blood is different from usual blood, and yes, for many women it’s not only uncomfortable but very painful experience. i thank Allah that have compatibly comfortable living, but or majority of female population basic sanitary towels r the luxury, 1in 5 worldwide have access to very little water in a day, less then we use when we flush the toilet in developed world. for me personally having a break from prayer (notice u even don’t have to restore them!) is the sign is He does care. Problem is not the slight difference in worshiping but in attitude towards to it by bigots. i think we should stop be ashamed of our physiology but we need to celebrate it, for example, Kuna women from Panama celebrate start of menstrual period fr their girls, why shouldn’t we? 😉
November 5, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Congratulations. On the brass Crescent win! Right after the eid prayers. Loved that line.
March 5, 2013 at 7:17 pm
Looking in Bing raised your websites – I’m thankful it did, thanks.
March 12, 2013 at 5:04 pm
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May 8, 2013 at 7:52 am
very good article.. im a muslim woman and have prayed nearly 2 yrs straight… only wen i am ill or dead will i stop praying.
May 9, 2013 at 4:57 pm
2 years straight with my periods that is. this is because i opened my mind and looked critically at hadith. i now reject them on the basis that they were written long after Muhammads pbuh death, they contain contradictions between themselves n Quran ect ect. Even though i have periods i try be as clean as possible, so for example, i go to toilet and wash with water,change pad and do wudu.. or sometimes i hav shower and do wudu. then when next prayer comes i do it all again.
August 31, 2013 at 10:02 am
Salam. i posted on the 8th and 9th of may. i must say, between then and now, i have tried to gather as much info as i can on this. should i pray, fast ect wen on my periods? This intensified more wen I decided to go to Hajj this year inshaAllah. Now i wanna do everything right- I want this once in a life time opputunity to b accepted. so i gues iv researched more about periods and that from there. i do not accept most of the hadiths that talk on this issue. However, i just cant get past this- that to pray u need to be purified. Now during periods we r not purified, thats y we do ghusl. This is y our husbands can not sleep with us. I guess Iv decided to stop praying wen i hav my periods. I listened to alot of lectures and read alot of articles. I cried becuase I came to this disision during Ramadan.. i hated not fasting and praying- but I feel i cant go against the Quran. the hadith can say all it wants- but the Quran us 100%. Ya Allah. if i am right reward me, if i am wring guide me.
(I wanted to post this just in case I am wrong and is a sin.)
June 7, 2013 at 4:20 am
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July 28, 2013 at 8:46 pm
This is post is really good, and I am so happy that someone has looked at this issue from a critical point of view, and has evaluated the different evidences. We should not follow religion blindly but instead use our intellect which is what the authors and many of the commenters have done.
I have recently come to the conclusion (for myself) to reject using hadiths and instead to use the Quran. Why? Because the Quran was made by Allah therefore perfect, whereas the Hadith was man-made.
There are several problem with the Hadith, which can be critiqued from a psychological and historical perspectives.
Historians would question the text in reagrds to its purpose, the motivations behind the author, when it was made, whether it is based on contemporary or secondary source (whether the source was still alive at the time or not e.g. When a Hadith about Asia was being made, was Alisha at the time alive -therefore the hadith could have been verified by heretc). And there are plenty of other criterial that historians use to evaluate a piece of evidence.
A psychological perspective would critique the idea that many hadiths are based on memory. Memory has been proven to be faulty and also can be manipulated by schemes. Schemes hold our values, our stereotypes our prejudices -all of which can effect the way we interpret, manipulate and remember “memories” . There are literally hundreds of studies that have shown that a persons attitude can effect the way they remember. (Allport writes a lot about the problem of memories)
From these two perspectives I have now decided to study the Quran more in detail and to also critique the explanations given by scholars .
My suggestion would be for many people who feel similarly- ( those reject being dependent on scholars or hadiths but instead rely on evidence based on actual scientific methods) to write more about their own points of view on different rules in Islam, and to help other muslims who feel similarly to become free to debate and become closer hopefully to the truth.
My other suggestion is to ask muslims about how they feel about the rules, and ask them why they exist, because then we could probably get a better idea as to why Allah had given the laws. For example, I have always rejected the idea that wearing a hijab prevents women from being molested (which is the argument given by scholars) simply on the basis that the evidence has shown that women regardless of clothing can become victims of sexual assault, therefore I did not agree with the scholars points of view. It was once I started to interview muslim women themselves, I started to notice that many did not see the reason behind it (the only practiced it because Islam had told them too) . This was unfortunate because I had interviewed women who chose to wear the headscarf because they felt it stopped society from controlling their bodies. For example, one women who before she started to wear the scarf, she said how she used to obsess over her hair and she would continuously tried to change it. After a while she felt that she was insulting her own cultural background (she was black, and she felt that it was ethnocentric to straighten her hair ). She said black is beautiful, but yet no matter how much she tried to keep her hair natural she kept getting judged by her hair, and she always felt like going back to straightening her hair. After that she wore the scarf, and she argued that it was liberating as she no longer felt the need to straighten her hair. Now, from this point of view, I felt like on a personal level I understood why Islam would have told people to wear hijab. Not to prevent molestation, but because there was another benefit. One which I would have never found had I only looked at the Hadith or the scholars, but instead ask the women who are personally effected by the rules, about how they feel.
Sorry this is so long, and sorry if my grammar was bad and I missed some words out
August 12, 2013 at 5:11 pm
Agreed! Nicki many ppl feel as you do, especially converts. I teach a convert class and many of us only study our Quran and see hadith as heresy collect 200yr+ after the Prophet (bpuh). Some even in Bukari, seem to insult him, which really makes me mad.
August 12, 2013 at 10:17 am
hello,
thank you for your article, it really made me think about an issue that I have also found as a sort of contradiction to the ethos of prayer. I just wanted to know where did you find this, and in which source, as I have checked the muwatta and fiqh al sunna and cannot find a reference to women’s natures described therein: And this is exactly what many sources reference when producing literature on menstruation and prayer. Women are weakened by blood loss. Women are emotionally fragile. Women suffer in their biological pain. Women are naturally unclean. Therefore compassion towards women’s “condition” is required, and they have been granted a boon not to pray. We’re not even required to perform any make-up prayers.
thanks and i would really appreciate if you could get back to me on the matter as it is important. thanks again.
August 12, 2013 at 5:04 pm
Just found this article. I take Birth control and skip my periods now so I can pray. I hate not praying. Before when I would have my “7 day break” Getting back on schedule for salat was hard, I would miss prayers and get off track. Now I just skip my cycle or if it does come, I bathe/shower and pray. Even if not accepted by Allah, I am keeping the schedule and my contact with my creator.
September 29, 2013 at 12:03 am
This website certainly has all the information and facts I wanted concerning
this subject and didn’t know who to ask.
January 25, 2014 at 9:40 pm
Salaaaamm everyone!! I am so happy to have come across this blog!!! I am Muslim who is constantly trying to understand Islam (and Inshallah we will all be granted thorough Islamic knowledge – we really need it)
In efforts to combat the argument that women in Islam are treated poorly I have been reading a lot about this subject of prayer and menstruation. This lead me to the definition of najis.
I have come to the conclusion that things deemed as ritual impurity – one of them being menstruation- and requiring ghusul, are not dirty in itself, but rather because these “states” of impurity take people away from their spiritual selves and into their biological, more animal nature.
So no, women are not dirty, the blood is not dirty because it’s period blood (it is messy every woman knows this) it is the state of menstruation that takes us back to our biological nature of nurturing life. There is nothing inherently wrong about it though. I think many people jump to the conclusion that exclusion equals inferiority or discrimination, but in retrospect, it is merely a reminder of our place as creations of God, and a person who prays constantly (a man) it not more “Godly” than someone who doesn’t (a woman who doesn’t pray during menses)- it is what is in our hearts as we pray and remember Allah, and as Allah always reminds us, He is the one who is aware of all things, especially in our hearts. (Please do not assume that I am saying prayer is not important, it is a pillar of Islam).
From what I have read, both male ejaculation, and death, are also under the categories of ritual impurity, and require ghusul. Both are reminders of our biological nature in the way menstruation is, it’s just that ejaculation doesn’t last as long as menstruation does, which is why it is quicker for men to return to a state of ritual purity. The constant reminder or our biological nature is important to prevent arrogance from overtaking human thought (“this is the child of my womb!!!” or “this is the child of my seed!” – actually, we are creations of God, existing by His will.) Countless civilizations developed religious cults which attributed gods and goddess to the very things that Islam tells us to purify: fertility (male or female), death, agriculture/hunting/food, etc.
This need for purification prevents us from giving superfluous importance to our basic human needs and functions than is necessary, and constantly reminds us that these are characteristics given to us by God, and are in His control.
This is what I understand, and I know that Islam is complex in thought yet logical in explanation, so that there is an answer for everything. If I am wrong, please enlighten me.
And Mashallah- these types of blogs are blessings because they bring to light issues necessary for discussion in our modern chaotic world.
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September 22, 2014 at 11:30 am
This article is not written with respect and not according to islamic morals. And also is haram these pictures you publish, one with a naked woman and other picture hand made style. The first part of the article sounds like obscene story. Hasbuna Allah wa n3ama al wakil , Astaghfirullah
November 18, 2014 at 1:03 pm
Love it really eye opening blog post
January 2, 2015 at 2:34 pm
The main reason I don’t like this “break” is that it messes up my whole schedule. I get off my salats and my night prayers, then getting back on them takes awhile. I also suffer from low iman at this time. I can make thikr, I always do, however, there is nothing on this planet that is like Sujood! I will be off schedule and it takes a few days of missed night prayers and perhaps a few fard as well. Once i am back in sync and iman is high, guess who comes knocking. I am happy to just go back to birth control and skip my cycles completely, if it allows me to pray. I don’t expect the prayer to be accepted, that is fine. I just don’t want to lose my routine. I don’t need a man to comment as he has no idea what it is like no to be able to prostrate to Allah for 6 -7 days.
July 23, 2015 at 10:52 pm
I wonder what Rabbia al Adawiya said about menses.
August 21, 2015 at 8:42 pm
This was incredibly insightful and really opened my eyes to a lot more knowledge. Thank you and inshallah May Allah reward you for your efforts!
January 20, 2016 at 12:40 pm
Islam is not a religion. It is a political system masquerading as a religion.
January 25, 2016 at 12:07 pm
U hav done it greatly but u always hav a look at d acceptable entities in Islam. Meaning u should know d kind of pix u’ll be posting….. Jazakallahu khaer
May 22, 2016 at 8:59 am
I’m confused. When you mean on your period, do you mean on the cycle but when there is no blood passing through you?
June 2, 2016 at 8:30 am
I thought that anything passing through your vagina or anus – like gas – breaks wudhuu? Genuinely confused person here who really wants to understand your perspective